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Originally posted by valrod33:
Nawrocki on PFT Live: "It wouldn't surprise me ... if (Cam Newton) ends up in the second round. Because there are so many concerns."
This Nawrocki guys is being a little too obvious now.
Obvious about what? The more I've been reading and hearing since this came out this guy is highly respected and honest in his assessment of all players, and his track record is pretty damn good.
Obvious? I think all his concerns are valid considering Newton's history. It won't make a difference, a team will still overdraft him. If he's on the board for AZ, I think Wisenhunt sees him as Big Ben v2.0... huge mistake, but good for us. Big Ben made plays with his feet in college but it was always to buy time for a long pass, just like he's been doing in Pit. When games were on the line for Auburn, Cam ran the dive/veer option (whatever its called in that offense) 90% of the time... won't work in the NFL.
To date I haven't seen anything other than athleticism that makes Cam a justifiable top 10 pick. Does he have potential... unquestionably, but teams start getting into trouble when they draft off potential.
But he (NN) admits to not interviewing Cam, so they are based off of what he reads...Gil Brandt states that that s**t is overblown. Gil Brandt likely has better sources considering his history with the league and has evaluated talent for professional teams, Nawrocki has not. How much of what Nawrocki wrote on Cam was to sell his magazines ?
And Ben has used his feet to make many o' plays in the NFL that were not long passes...some he took off for a first, some bought time to hit an open receiver on a short or intermediate pass. Cam has that kind of ability, to move and keep a play alive.
If Whisenhunt drafts Cam should he be on the board how is that a mistake ? We won't know for 3 years likely. So unfortunately we may be dealing with that for 2x a season for possibly 10+ years if Whiz turns out to be right. Not a good thing for us....a good thing for us is the Cards taking a QB outside the first where the success rate for a QB drops. A division rival taking a 1st round graded QB with upside that is through the roof is not a good thing.
I agree with you that the press around Cam is overblown, but what worries me is that his supposed "role-models" got in trouble for trying to solicit his services to colleges. And then he makes statements that are indicative of a me-first attitude, those are the only point I think that add validity to any Cam critique, but yes the rest is just to sell magazines.
Talent-wise, I watched Ben play at Miami (Ohio) most of his senior year, as well as all the sunday highlights for the NFL and though he makes tons of plays with his feet, whether running for first downs or short passes/long passes, his eyes are always downfield.
From watching Auburn, Cam always wanted the ball in his hands... a great trait for a QB, shows confidence and leadership... but he relied more on his feet to make the plays rather than having his feet facilitate his arm making the big play. That's the key difference I see between Ben and Cam (hopefully that made sense). In the NFL the athletic QB's with consistent success are IMO the ones who use their feet to buy time for their arm to make the play.
It's like comparing the old Vick to the new Vick. Old Vick was amazing, but overtime defenses were able to scheme for him and he didn't have the ability to look downfield while scrambling, relying on athleticism rather than trusting the play and his receivers ability to get open. The new Vick still scrambles, but he has learned to keep his eyes downfield and trust his offense more than his legs.
I'm not trying to knock Cam, and if he realizes his full potential then good for him and he will be a nightmare to play against. Just when watching him play, the feeling is more "wow look at this amazing athlete playing QB" rather than "wow look at how athletic this QB is". For example if V. Young, Big Ben, Freeman, Cambell, Tebow and Cam all came out this year with the same careers they had in college, I would have them rated in that order though they all have the mold of "big bodied athletic QB".