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job2436 · 2010-12-02T09:26:33-08:00

As if the season wasn't already a dissapointment, all we're gonna hear on Sunday is the comparison between Alex Smith's career so far vs. Aaron Rodgers'. First things first, I am one of the many that expected this year to be one of the better year's the Niners have seen in a long time, but of course, that didn't happen. Not only have we had to go out there and play vs the ref's with several very questionable calls but also battle our own stupid mistakes. Then on top of that, we change OC's again! So now that's, correct me if I'm wrong, 7 OC's that the team has had to deal with in 5 years??? So how is that giving Alex Smith a fair shot at being the QB we all hoped he would be? Not to mention the injuries at the line and the unsteady play every week. Let's also not forget Alex got thrown into the game while Rodgers had 4 years to sit behind old man Favre. And despite Green Bay's winning seasons, what has Rodgers truly won??? Nothing at all. And if our record didn't already speak for itself, Sing throws Troy Smith with his very limited grasp of the offense into the mix. For what?? Once again, Alex left out in the cold. I'm not saying he would have done better, but for once the line gave our QB time to set up and throw the ball......except to Vernon Davis who has yet to be covered by any LB or safety in the league. I don't know about anyone else but it's pretty sad to hear Steve Yound and Matt Millen ask why Troy Smith is starting when he knows so little of the offensive playbook????? As for the rest of the season, guess we'll just have to sit back and enjoy the ride, or at least try to.

Dec 3, 2010 at 8:05 AM

#61

TheVoiceOfReason
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Originally posted by job2436:
Ok, I understand everyone's frustration with Alex Smith, and all I'm gonna add is he wasn't alone on playing bad. Moving on, who sho we get at QB cuz I seriously doubt Troy Smith is the long term answer.....

Don't doubt Steaming Willie Beamin'! We have like all off season to argue that with 1,000 page threads. >>>>>>>>Insert Steaming Willie Beamin' music video.

Dec 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM

#62

excelsior
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The Voice of Reason is a voice of reason - I totally agree with what he/she said. Alex moves on, Troy isn't good enough, the draft came and went and we got nothing worthwhile, no good FAs. This means the sad 49er saga continues.

This is why I have felt it is in the 49ers best interest to keep Alex (lthough he would be smart to move on)> They need to continue to improve the OL and the receiver corps. Alex should reamin until the 49ers are sure they have something better to replace him. It could be Troy, but I doubt it.

Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM

#63

Hollywood
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Originally posted by excelsior:
The Voice of Reason is a voice of reason - I totally agree with what he/she said. Alex moves on, Troy isn't good enough, the draft came and went and we got nothing worthwhile, no good FAs. This means the sad 49er saga continues.

This is why I have felt it is in the 49ers best interest to keep Alex (lthough he would be smart to move on)> They need to continue to improve the OL and the receiver corps. Alex should reamin until the 49ers are sure they have something better to replace him. It could be Troy, but I doubt it.

It's already Troy. I don't think Troy is the future, but he's better than Alex. We've seen that already. I think he'll get a little better too. Troy's only played what, 6 or 7 NFL games.

Dec 3, 2010 at 10:46 AM

#64

Shifty
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I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Dec 3, 2010 at 10:56 AM

#65

DownInTheCity
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Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Please No! It's better if Alex leaves. For a lot of reasons:

1. Both sides can move on.
2. A lot of fans here have soured on him (remember the "We want Carr" chant?)
3. There won't be the temptation to put him back in
4. He gets a fresh start in another setting. If he does well, great! All the Alexcusers would have been proven right.
5. No more Alex Smith threads!

Dec 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM

#66

NineFourNiner
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Originally posted by DownInTheCity:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Please No! It's better if Alex leaves. For a lot of reasons:

1. Both sides can move on.
2. A lot of fans here have soured on him (remember the "We want Carr" chant?)
3. There won't be the temptation to put him back in
4. He gets a fresh start in another setting. If he does well, great! All the Alexcusers would have been proven right.
5. No more Alex Smith threads!

This. He needs to go.

Dec 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM

#67

susweel
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by DownInTheCity:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Please No! It's better if Alex leaves. For a lot of reasons:

1. Both sides can move on.
2. A lot of fans here have soured on him (remember the "We want Carr" chant?)
3. There won't be the temptation to put him back in
4. He gets a fresh start in another setting. If he does well, great! All the Alexcusers would have been proven right.
5. No more Alex Smith threads!

This. He needs to go.

ASAP

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:45 PM

#68

NineFourNiner
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by DownInTheCity:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Please No! It's better if Alex leaves. For a lot of reasons:

1. Both sides can move on.
2. A lot of fans here have soured on him (remember the "We want Carr" chant?)
3. There won't be the temptation to put him back in
4. He gets a fresh start in another setting. If he does well, great! All the Alexcusers would have been proven right.
5. No more Alex Smith threads!

This. He needs to go.

ASAP

Having said that, no matter what the NT brain trust thinks, here are the facts:

AR is a MUCH better QB than AS today. This is beyond debate.

NO ONE can correctly state that if their situations were reversed (AR to us, AS to GB), the results would be exactly the same as what we see today. There are millions of variables at play. See, for example, the eternal nature versus nurture debate in biology and psychology, as well as thousands of studies exposing subjects to different stimuli over time and then comparing results.

That is all.

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:02 PM

#69

DownInTheCity
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by DownInTheCity:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I'd keep Alex as the #3 QB

Please No! It's better if Alex leaves. For a lot of reasons:

1. Both sides can move on.
2. A lot of fans here have soured on him (remember the "We want Carr" chant?)
3. There won't be the temptation to put him back in
4. He gets a fresh start in another setting. If he does well, great! All the Alexcusers would have been proven right.
5. No more Alex Smith threads!

This. He needs to go.

ASAP

Having said that, no matter what the NT brain trust thinks, here are the facts:

AR is a MUCH better QB than AS today. This is beyond debate.

NO ONE can correctly state that if their situations were reversed (AR to us, AS to GB), the results would be exactly the same as what we see today. There are millions of variables at play. See, for example, the eternal nature versus nurture debate in biology and psychology, as well as thousands of studies exposing subjects to different stimuli over time and then comparing results.

That is all.

We could clone both of them and experiment

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:05 PM

#70

NineFourNiner
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^We'd also need a time machine.

But I'm in!

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:57 PM

#71

susweel
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we need this

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:05 PM

#72

Kilgore_Trout
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Alex Smith faced off against Aaron Rodgers last year and showed that he is on the same level. Rodgers was blessed to be put in the situation he was, Alex Smith was cursed.

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM

#73

Jeepzilla
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Originally posted by excelsior:
So, susweel jokingly answered my question by saying P. Manning played with a poor OC, behind poor protection and with shaky receivers. Yeah, right. It is manifest that no one can up with any good examples - my point is made once again.

But you saw what happens when Manning tried playing with replacements for some injured linemen and receivers the other night. He struggled mightily. Thank you for giving me another teachable opportunity for those willing to learn.

I don't know if you are just trying to fool yourself, but, just because Rodgers sat behind Farve, gave Rodgers more awareness, better footwork, blah, blah, I can go on, but you get my point.

Are you trying to say Alex is Good, or something, cause over the course of 6 1/2 years, he made a handful of plays??? Wow, just wow already.

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM

#74

susweel
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Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Alex Smith faced off against Aaron Rodgers last year and showed that he is on the same level. Rodgers was blessed to be put in the situation he was, Alex Smith was cursed.

Let it go.

Alex is done

Dec 3, 2010 at 3:02 PM

#75

fly15
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Alex Smith faced off against Aaron Rodgers last year and showed that he is on the same level. Rodgers was blessed to be put in the situation he was, Alex Smith was cursed.

Let it go.

Alex is done

do you know if he's still a captain??