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Would you be okay with trading next year's 1st round pick?

Would you be okay with trading next year's 1st round pick?

  • cupcheck
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Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

Nice post. I agree & would rather get the #1 RB/RS & get an o-lineman in the 2nd round.
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

Nice post. I agree & would rather get the #1 RB/RS & get an o-lineman in the 2nd round.

I'm proposing drafting #13 spiller, #17 Wilson, trade 2011 !st + to NE. for the #22 this yr. and take Charles Brown.
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

I don't think they should take the 5th best OT with the 13th pick but one of the top 3 OT would be great. I'm not as big on Spiller as you are because I don't think Sig & Ray will play him. He will KR and back up Gore, so he will end up getting the ball 10 times a game.
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Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

I don't think they should take the 5th best OT with the 13th pick but one of the top 3 OT would be great. I'm not as big on Spiller as you are because I don't think Sig & Ray will play him. He will KR and back up Gore, so he will end up getting the ball 10 times a game.

21 college career TDs of 50yds or more,51 TDs total!! the kid doesn't need many touches. After one training camp and pre season coach will find a way to get him on the field.
We have 9 picks in this draft...and with the uncertainty of 2011 season, I see no compelling reason to give up any of 'em, much less a 1st rounder. As things stand right now, we'll get 3 of the top 49 players in this draft...an enviable position to be in. Yes, there could be some teams offering trades...but if it in way weakens our current draft position, it'd make no sense to pull the trigger. Let me put it this way...unless some team offers "the moon" I think we should just stand pat and make every pick count.
  • cupcheck
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
We have 9 picks in this draft...and with the uncertainty of 2011 season, I see no compelling reason to give up any of 'em, much less a 1st rounder. As things stand right now, we'll get 3 of the top 49 players in this draft...an enviable position to be in. Yes, there could be some teams offering trades...but if it in way weakens our current draft position, it'd make no sense to pull the trigger. Let me put it this way...unless some team offers "the moon" I think we should just stand pat and make every pick count.

Not sure I'm following your point.The plan is to trade our 2011 first round + to NE. for #22 in this yr. draft. Completing the trifecta #13, #17, & #22 . Personally, I'd pick Spiller, Wilson, & Charles Brown, in that order.
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

I don't think they should take the 5th best OT with the 13th pick but one of the top 3 OT would be great. I'm not as big on Spiller as you are because I don't think Sig & Ray will play him. He will KR and back up Gore, so he will end up getting the ball 10 times a game.

21 college career TDs of 50yds or more,51 TDs total!! the kid doesn't need many touches. After one training camp and pre season coach will find a way to get him on the field.

Where are they going to play Spiller ?? are they going to bench Gore ??? Are they going to move away from the ball control game they want to run and go to a 3 WR set? is Spiller going to be the third best WR??? It's Sig and Ray they are not the most innovative Offesive play callers out there. I hope 1 of the 3 best OT are there and they take him. I Like Spiller I really like J Best too. I don't think they will Draft Spiller at 13 because of what Sig and Ray want to do on O.
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Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Even if there is a lock out in 2011 there will still be a 2011 Draft.

So if you save the 2011 pick and there's a draft & lock out, he won't play until 2012 at the earliest, with a year off from football, and may need a yr. to develop.Now its 2013 before you see any benefit to the pick.

it sound like your saying that if they Draft someone in the 20s they need a year to develop. ok then if they make the trade you want with NE and get pick 22 there not going to do much this yr because they need a yr to develop. then they would be locked out, and they wont see anything out of then till 2012. and I'm not sure but do you want to trade 17 for an free agent OL???? I would love it if they trade down and pick up another second round pick just not into trading next yr first

I'm all over the map on how to use the picks, personality. The point really is ,with so much uncertainty after this yr. draft, CBA, weak 2011 draft, do or die yr. for A. Smith, load up on talent now and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed in 2010. The division and a play off run are right there next yr. GO FOR IT! By trading down the probability of productivity next yr.decreases, thus less impact, more time on the bench, another wait and see player. This yr. draft needs to strive to generate plays on the field their rookie yr. More likely to happen with a mid-first rounder than later in the draft.

I'm all over the place as far as the Draft goes too. It really all depeneds on how the Draft goes and what trades are there to be made. I just hope they find 3 or 4 starters and one of then being an OT in this Draft.

The OL definitely needs an infusion of talent. Just can't see the wisdom of selecting the 5th rated OT over #1 rated RB & RS. Virtually throwing away the most productive offensive weapon coming out this yr.

I don't think they should take the 5th best OT with the 13th pick but one of the top 3 OT would be great. I'm not as big on Spiller as you are because I don't think Sig & Ray will play him. He will KR and back up Gore, so he will end up getting the ball 10 times a game.

21 college career TDs of 50yds or more,51 TDs total!! the kid doesn't need many touches. After one training camp and pre season coach will find a way to get him on the field.

Where are they going to play Spiller ?? are they going to bench Gore ??? Are they going to move away from the ball control game they want to run and go to a 3 WR set? is Spiller going to be the third best WR??? It's Sig and Ray they are not the most innovative Offesive play callers out there. I hope 1 of the 3 best OT are there and they take him. I Like Spiller I really like J Best too. I don't think they will Draft Spiller at 13 because of what Sig and Ray want to do on O.

After the " smash mouth" offense, and game manager QB. got stonewalled last yr., the spread / shot gun offense moved the ball a little easyer. Along with the players themselves asking for a more wide open style, along with seeing what the playoff teams use to set the standard in the league, Sing & Ray won't make that the focus. A. Smith told & showed what style and offence is most conducive to his success, and last i heard he the QB.
[ Edited by cupcheck on Mar 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM ]
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QB. coach Johnson knows how to implement a spread offense that would develop everyone's best abilities.
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I would rather trade a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th than give it up. But if we could do a deal like a few years ago where we trade our pick then trade our 2nd for another one the next year i would do it.
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Originally posted by sfbuckeye49:
I would rather trade a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th than give it up. But if we could do a deal like a few years ago where we trade our pick then trade our 2nd for another one the next year i would do it.

If the draft chart is correct, our 2ed+ 3ed would get barely get into the first. If its an OL your after ya gotta jump ahead of GB at #23. Talk in the paper around here is they are after a OT too. NE is sitting at #22. Trade our 2011 1st + to them for that pick.

[ Edited by cupcheck on Mar 24, 2010 at 16:39:08 ]
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by sfbuckeye49:
I would rather trade a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th than give it up. But if we could do a deal like a few years ago where we trade our pick then trade our 2nd for another one the next year i would do it.

If the draft chart is correct, our 2ed+ 3ed would get barely get into the first. If its an OL your after ya gotta jump ahead of GB at #23. Talk in the paper around here is they are after a OT too. NE is sitting at #22. Trade our 2011 1st + to them for that pick.

Just don't see that happening, dude. I don't think NE is looking to have three 1sts next year (and the money they'll have to dish out to stay there). This is the loaded draft and they're already in a good position with a 1st and three 2nds. Also, they've already got a top 10 pick next year and a pick around 20.

On our end, Baalke hasn't been given any indication that he'll be the guy next year so I don't think they'd let him have that much power without actually finding out what a Baalke draft looks like. I'd actually like to get another 1st next year, if anything.
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Originally posted by 84SheepDog:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by sfbuckeye49:
I would rather trade a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th than give it up. But if we could do a deal like a few years ago where we trade our pick then trade our 2nd for another one the next year i would do it.

If the draft chart is correct, our 2ed+ 3ed would get barely get into the first. If its an OL your after ya gotta jump ahead of GB at #23. Talk in the paper around here is they are after a OT too. NE is sitting at #22. Trade our 2011 1st + to them for that pick.

Just don't see that happening, dude. I don't think NE is looking to have three 1sts next year (and the money they'll have to dish out to stay there). This is the loaded draft and they're already in a good position with a 1st and three 2nds. Also, they've already got a top 10 pick next year and a pick around 20.

On our end, Baalke hasn't been given any indication that he'll be the guy next year so I don't think they'd let him have that much power without actually finding out what a Baalke draft looks like. I'd actually like to get another 1st next year, if anything.

I understand the reluctance to empower Baalke in his first draft. Point isn't who's making the pick rather who gets picked and how will that benefit the team in 2010?If the position and player are of need and value,and will increase the likelihood of winning the division ,going into the playoffs this yr.,why put on hold what can help now?2010 looks like a make or break yr. on several fronts for many reasons. The team will always have the reward of a top player taken this yr., but if the Nfl has a lock out, 2011 draft proves to be woefully shallow because all the top jr. came out this yr. , clinging to that 2011 1st rounder won't really have the importance as it would using it now.
ill trade ALL our 2011 draft picks for a few 1st rounders this year.