Would you be okay with trading next year's 1st round pick?

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Do you think

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by cupcheck:

Originally posted by btwagner:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
The 2010 draft is considered one of the strongest in many yrs. because of the college jr's coming out. Logic tells you it will be a weak sr. class next yr. and I believe we'll be drafting in the high #20's with a deep playoff run. Combine that with at least a 50-50 chance of no CBA and subsequent lockout in 2011. The shrewd, not irresponsible strategy, is to use the devalued 2011 #1 rounder this yr and increase our talent going into a very promising yr. " YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN."!

Exactly my thinking....I would rather have a 3rd #1 this year than a #1 next year

Who would you pick with three 1st rounders this yr?

i would pick OT iupathi for sure then take either graham spiller or earl thomas

Do you think Iupati can start at OT from day 1?

no he cant but as an OG he will be a pro bowler and has chance to be all pro

Yep -- pretty high floor for guard.

Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

At RT it's lack of talent.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

At RT it's lack of talent.

Difficult to say on the guards. I am tempted to put Baas down to the player and replace him, but put Rachal down to the coaching and with new guys in position, to give him another year or so.

I'd be fine with the Niners doing a little trading on draft day as long as they made the moves needed to become a playoff team THIS year. Here what I think they should do if they were ballsy enough to trade UP:

- Trade our #13, 2nd and 3rd to Kansas City for thier #5 and use it to select the best OT in the draft Russell Okung

-Use #17 to select BPA- Haden, E. Thomas, K. Wilson, Graham

- Trade our 2011 1st round pick to get back our 2nd and 3rd picks back- take McCluster or Best



[ Edited by artiga1 on Mar 31, 2010 at 07:24:00 ]

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

At RT it's lack of talent.

Definitely need to add talent to the OL.
The question is at what cost? (1st , 2-1st, a 2ed )
Here's a time line of WHY the RT. position was so dysfunctional last yr.
Aug.
10th- Snyder starting at RT.
24th Snyder hurts knee= x-ray
31st- Snyder day -day
Sept.
16th- Snyder & Bass not sharp due to injuries, lose of practice time.
18th- Pashos starts at RT.
21st- Pashos & Snyder split practice time
Oct.
19th- Snyder & Chilo split practice time at RG.
26th- Pashos hurts shoulder, out for the yr.
28th- Snyder back to RT.
30th- A. Smith starts, whole new spread offense, cadence, philosophy( pass not run)
Nov.
13th- Snyder AC. sprain
17th- Staley knee, out Sims starts at LT.

With so much unsettled movement and injury how do we know how much talent we need ?

[ Edited by cupcheck on Mar 31, 2010 at 15:38:25 ]

Originally posted by cupcheck:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

At RT it's lack of talent.

Definitely need to add talent to the OL.
The question is at what cost? (1st , 2-1st, a 2ed )
Here's a time line of WHY the RT. position was so dysfunctional last yr.
Aug.
10th- Snyder starting at RT.
24th Snyder hurts knee= x-ray
31st- Snyder day -day
Sept.
16th- Snyder & Bass not sharp due to injuries, lose of practice time.
18th- Pashos starts at RT.
21st- Pashos & Snyder split practice time
Oct.
19th- Snyder & Chilo split practice time at RG.
26th- Pashos hurts shoulder, out for the yr.
28th- Snyder back to RT.
30th- A. Smith starts, whole new spread offense, cadence, philosophy( pass not run)
Nov.
13th- Snyder AC. sprain
17th- Staley knee, out Sims starts at LT.

With so much unsettled movement and injury how do we know how much talent we need ?

Snyder is not good at OT the need a OT in the first round.

[ Edited by dlance on Mar 31, 2010 at 17:59:48 ]

Originally posted by cupcheck:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
Was the problem with the OL lack of talent or injuries / continuity?
Answering that question will go a long way in determining how high a draft pick to spend on a OL man.

At RT it's lack of talent.

Definitely need to add talent to the OL.
The question is at what cost? (1st , 2-1st, a 2ed )
Here's a time line of WHY the RT. position was so dysfunctional last yr.
Aug.
10th- Snyder starting at RT.
24th Snyder hurts knee= x-ray
31st- Snyder day -day
Sept.
16th- Snyder & Bass not sharp due to injuries, lose of practice time.
18th- Pashos starts at RT.
21st- Pashos & Snyder split practice time
Oct.
19th- Snyder & Chilo split practice time at RG.
26th- Pashos hurts shoulder, out for the yr.
28th- Snyder back to RT.
30th- A. Smith starts, whole new spread offense, cadence, philosophy( pass not run)
Nov.
13th- Snyder AC. sprain
17th- Staley knee, out Sims starts at LT.

With so much unsettled movement and injury how do we know how much talent we need ?

if your going to use this logic then RB is not a problem and there is no way they should draft Spiller at 13. because they have Gore and don't need a RB it only because the OL was injured so much last yr. so they should go with a DB or a LB a starting WR, BPA and there is no need to trade next yr first because they are fine only injurys.

[ Edited by dlance on Mar 31, 2010 at 17:51:57 ]

A rookie WR. wouldn't have the immediate impact Spiller would have. Speed in the back field helps the OL more so than more WR.s
Secondary needs an increase in talent also, agreed.
OL was looked more like musical chairs and wheel chairs than anything. But more talent can't hurt.
#13-Spiller
#17- Wilson
trade 2011 1st round + to NE. for this yr. #22
#22- Charles Brown

Originally posted by cupcheck:
A rookie WR. wouldn't have the immediate impact Spiller would have. Speed in the back field helps the OL more so than more WR.s
Secondary needs an increase in talent also, agreed.
OL was looked more like musical chairs and wheel chairs than anything. But more talent can't hurt.
#13-Spiller
#17- Wilson
trade 2011 1st round + to NE. for this yr. #22
#22- Charles Brown

your wirte this in most of the thread you post in give it a rest. I understand your in love with spiller but where is he going to play??? will he be the 3rd best WR or will Hill Jone be the 3rd WR. Are they going to go to a primary formation of 3wr 1TE 1RB? or are they going to run 1RB 2TE 2WR like last yr. you keep saying the same thing over and over . NO thank not for me why not trade 13 down to 22 and pick up an extra second then draft J best in second. that way they keep next yr first plus NE has 2 first round pick next yr I think they mite want to keep one this yr.

[ Edited by dlance on Mar 31, 2010 at 18:33:01 ]

If we don't get more speed in the back field that can burn a defense on the edge, it won,t matter how many OT you draft. There will be 8-9 men in the box on 1st & 2ed downs, leaving A. Smith with 3ed and long, just like last season. Combine that with poor field position, and the defense pins its ears back, blitz, jump the quick slants, and dump off routes. Speed out side cures a lot of problems.

Originally posted by cupcheck:
If we don't get more speed in the back field that can burn a defense on the edge, it won,t matter how many OT you draft. There will be 8-9 men in the box on 1st & 2ed downs, leaving A. Smith with 3ed and long, just like last season. Combine that with poor field position, and the defense pins its ears back, blitz, jump the quick slants, and dump off routes. Speed out side cures a lot of problems.

Ok what wrong with J Best he is just a fast as Spiller. and one of the reasons def are changing to the 34 is that it make it hard to run outside because there is an OLB and a SS standing there. Gore is going to be the main RB not who ever they draft.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
If we don't get more speed in the back field that can burn a defense on the edge, it won,t matter how many OT you draft. There will be 8-9 men in the box on 1st & 2ed downs, leaving A. Smith with 3ed and long, just like last season. Combine that with poor field position, and the defense pins its ears back, blitz, jump the quick slants, and dump off routes. Speed out side cures a lot of problems.

Ok what wrong with J Best he is just a fast as Spiller. and one of the reasons def are changing to the 34 is that it make it hard to run outside because there is an OLB and a SS standing there. Gore is going to be the main RB not who ever they draft.

or dexter mccluster they are about just as fast in fact best is a little faster and both would be good for the spread offense no need to spend a top 15 pick on something that isnt even a major need

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by cupcheck:
If we don't get more speed in the back field that can burn a defense on the edge, it won,t matter how many OT you draft. There will be 8-9 men in the box on 1st & 2ed downs, leaving A. Smith with 3ed and long, just like last season. Combine that with poor field position, and the defense pins its ears back, blitz, jump the quick slants, and dump off routes. Speed out side cures a lot of problems.

Ok what wrong with J Best he is just a fast as Spiller. and one of the reasons def are changing to the 34 is that it make it hard to run outside because there is an OLB and a SS standing there. Gore is going to be the main RB not who ever they draft.

or dexter mccluster they are about just as fast in fact best is a little faster and both would be good for the spread offense no need to spend a top 15 pick on something that isnt even a major need

I do not think RB is a major need ether but cupcake is going to say the same thing over and over He is the best playmake in the draft speed in the back field is need to keep def out of 8 or 9 in the box. how many 8 or 9 man front does Arizona see. I don't have any idea but i'm think not many. if they want a change of pace RB they can get one later in th draft or there will be one next yr.

Originally posted by cupcheck:
If we don't get more speed in the back field that can burn a defense on the edge, it won,t matter how many OT you draft. There will be 8-9 men in the box on 1st & 2ed downs, leaving A. Smith with 3ed and long, just like last season. Combine that with poor field position, and the defense pins its ears back, blitz, jump the quick slants, and dump off routes. Speed out side cures a lot of problems.

Really? 8-9 men in the box with VD and crab, like to see that- because you can audible all three men (the other WR) will be one on one and a safety on morgan or VD will be a mismatch. You will need a good OT to pick up the most dangerous incoming- if you have a flake OT it won't matter cause whoever the QB is will be on his backside faster than you can say pancaked!