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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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This is a great example of why are we not using Magnus out there...either at C for Kilgore who moves to RG or just swap him out for fusco, who obviously is haveing a tough time adapting to starting. As in i know why he was cut from his last team. This film clip explains it all.
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Forgot a smiley, but he did get tossed

Yes he did, like some pizza dough.
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jonny and or thl,

So far with what you have seen on tape to date...how much of a factor is our poor pass pro affecting the ability to use juice in the pass game more ? Is he being asked to chip and block quite a bit when he is on the field for passing plays ?
Originally posted by evil:
jonny and or thl,

So far with what you have seen on tape to date...how much of a factor is our poor pass pro affecting the ability to use juice in the pass game more ? Is he being asked to chip and block quite a bit when he is on the field for passing plays ?

I see pass pro affecting kittles more than juice. We kept kittles in as an extra blocker multiple times last game. Though, thay prob had more to do with ARI bringing cover 0 blitzes a lot in the game. Overall, I don't see pass pro as our biggest problem on O. The O line has been very sufficient, to me. Hoyer missing open guys or dropped passes are a far bigger factor.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by evil:
jonny and or thl,

So far with what you have seen on tape to date...how much of a factor is our poor pass pro affecting the ability to use juice in the pass game more ? Is he being asked to chip and block quite a bit when he is on the field for passing plays ?
I see pass pro affecting kittles more than juice. We kept kittles in as an extra blocker multiple times last game. Though, thay prob had more to do with ARI bringing cover 0 blitzes a lot in the game. Overall, I don't see pass pro as our biggest problem on O. The O line has been very sufficient, to me. Hoyer missing open guys or dropped passes are a far bigger factor.
Yeah, I don't see Juice being asked to chip block for pass pro. I'm sure PFF will chart this at some point this season, but what I see is when Juice is in the game, it's most likely a run play. I'd ballpark estimate at 70% of the time that he's in the game, it's a running play. This is a tendency I think Kyle is okay with because it helps set up the odd times that Juice is designed to get the ball off some sort of misdirection playaction (slide), or when it's hard playaction to set up a shot play downfield. Defenses see Juice in, cheat on the run, and that's what will help suck in the LBs on playaction.

So far this season, Juice has averaged around 33%ish percent of the offensive snaps in each of the 4 games. When it is a pass play, and he is not the obvious first read, then he's most likely either acting as a checkdown, or he will block a LB to help sell playaction (play below).
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was, IMO the biggest missed opportunity in the game. It's so crucial because it was in OT, down in the red zone.

He ends up finding Hyde for 7 yards. But....it coulda been game over...



Truly heartbreaking. And maddening at the same time. He had an amazing pocket with tons of time. We need to look at this on film and run this concept again with Hoyer hitting the guy at the Pylon next time.

This goes to the same issue that has been brought up in other threads. The schemes are working, they're just not being executed properly. Hopefully Shanahan is looking at this in the film room and pounding it into Hoyer's head. This is how the play is designed, if this happens do this. I know it's not that simple but I think you get my point
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Thanks guys!
I love the film break downs guys! Hoyer is really frustrating to watch.
Hello my friend we meet again, it's been a while where should we begin?

I trust the week has been well to most of you and has allowed a little time for any wounds from Sunday to heal. So, if they have it's time to rip them back open. This was probably the most frustrating game of the year to watch. We had a number of missed opportunities and the blame could be spread around.

I'm still hoping Marquise Goodwin has a monster game one of these days because we missed him on 2 BIG opportunities in the game. One was on T. Brown, the other on Hoyer.

The defense was a mish mash of blame. Critical plays go against Armstead, Saleh, Ward and Tartt. If I were to whittle the blame down to most egregious and responsible for the loss I'd put it on those 4. What's most troubling is that the list includes two 1st round and a 2nd round pick.... That's a lot of draft capital invested in guys getting you beat. Just my opinion though.

Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point....

I still really enjoy the Shanny hire as his offense continues to show up on film. His play calling and timing have been the best I've seen since I've been watching film here. We just got to put together some more parts and get this thing humming.

I'm not going to do quite as much writing and try and get more cut-ups going. Stay tuned!
So far, after 5 games, who are the top 3 players routinely s**tting the bed?

LOGIC AND ANALYSIS THANK GOD
Here's the first big play opportunity we missed in the game. It was 12:23 in the 2nd QTR.



We split Juice out wide and we'll motion him back inside - this reveals zone coverage. So, Hoyer knows on this play he'll have a hi/lo read down the middle as we'll isolate 3 routes on 2 zone defenders. He has the deep post with Goodwin, the Deep in or "DIG" with Garcon and up and out route with Juice.



We first run PA to suck up the underneath coverage to put further stress on the zone defenders. As Bill Walsh said, "we look always for the deep play first but have it built in to the offense that if the deep play isn't there we can then move to the short play and continue to move the ball". He was talking about these vertical stretching plays. When you suck up your underneath defenders it then makes the opposing teams defensive players drive on open route they see in front of them.



here I've highlighted the area of vertical stretch as you'll see all the routes will cross this line at different depths. 3 on 2 stretch.



Here's the key frame. The FS, seeing the LB's drive on the PA and underneath route from Juice drives on Garcon's route. This vacates his deep middle zone.



Here's just a second further. The FS is dead to rights against Goodwin and is totally locked in to Garcon's route



Oh hey.... there goes Goodwin....



Why did this play fail? Well, when we ran PA Brown took a really poor angle on the DE and allowed him to cross his(Brown's) face.



Because the DE crossed Brown's face, he's now come free to the QB.



This was just about the time that the safety planted his foot to drive on Garcon's route. Hoyer is already looking to get rid of the ball because he's got a defender bearing down on him and he's got to get rid of the ball.



Could have had a huge play to get us a lead in the game. But, alas, it wasn't to be. Brown is usually good in pass pro but he's got to do better than that and it was a crucial fail in the game.
Originally posted by jreff22:
So far, after 5 games, who are the top 3 players routinely s**tting the bed?

That's what is frustrating. I don't think there's a 'top 3'. It's more like "top 10" haha.

If I had a gun to my head and had to call out 3 I'd say it's: Hoyer, Ward, Robinson. But it's almost like a 9 way tie for 2nd....
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Hello my friend we meet again, it's been a while where should we begin?

I trust the week has been well to most of you and has allowed a little time for any wounds from Sunday to heal. So, if they have it's time to rip them back open. This was probably the most frustrating game of the year to watch. We had a number of missed opportunities and the blame could be spread around.

I'm still hoping Marquise Goodwin has a monster game one of these days because we missed him on 2 BIG opportunities in the game. One was on T. Brown, the other on Hoyer.

The defense was a mish mash of blame. Critical plays go against Armstead, Saleh, Ward and Tartt. If I were to whittle the blame down to most egregious and responsible for the loss I'd put it on those 4. What's most troubling is that the list includes two 1st round and a 2nd round pick.... That's a lot of draft capital invested in guys getting you beat. Just my opinion though.

Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point....

I still really enjoy the Shanny hire as his offense continues to show up on film. His play calling and timing have been the best I've seen since I've been watching film here. We just got to put together some more parts and get this thing humming.

I'm not going to do quite as much writing and try and get more cut-ups going. Stay tuned!

I saw each of the starting secondary have a mistake in run support, Ward, Tartt, RR, DJ, and KWilliams. They all underestimated Marlon Mack's ability to bounce a run outside. You would think that after the first 2 guys got beat outside, that the others would take notice of how quick Mack is. The Tartt one was funny, he straight took out DeFo.
I posted this over in the Kyle thread, but that thread is just about b***hing about a guy 5 games into his career.....this post belongs here

I love the little wrinkle of having the second TE drag against the flow and create a mesh situation.

I apologize if this is way out of sequence.


Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Niners816:
4th and 1, 4th quarter down by 7....the call Spider Y Banana.



Luck was in the building


He threw the Venus in college and Gruden flipped out.....Hoyer threw the banana to Kittle.

Ok some nerdy X's and O's notes....the play luck drew is 21 personnel so by definition there's 2 WR so it actually has a vertical or as Gruden calls it a Venus. The X WR ran it. We ran it from 22 personnel so there's only one WR and there's no vertical.

Gruden is right that the FB is open 90% of the time. Juice got bumped off of his route a bit on the 4th down play. However I think this will be a big play for us as the install continues because it's a way to get both Juice and Kittle touches.

I watched the play again and it had a wrinkle to it. Celek chipped and then ran a drag. This added a little mesh action to this play.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Oct 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM ]
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