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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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Originally posted by Joecool:




Bowman one of the slowest players in reacting to either of these.
I think you're confused on which guy was bowman. On the first one he was the first one to react but stumbled in pursuit. The 2nd one, he was the first one to react as well.
[ Edited by jonnydel on Oct 5, 2017 at 10:30 AM ]
Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Originally posted by thl408:
.ARI combines a Sail with a Scissors concept to vertically stretch the curl/flat defender (Tartt).
vs Cover3



DJ matches #1. Tartt carries the #2 up the seam and, as a result, that gives room for the RB in the flat.


+10

You say Tartt is the flat defender. So is he just showing a lack of discipline falling for the route combination? What's RayRay's assignment? As Tartt backpedals, should RayRay shift over to the empty flat? In that 2nd frame it looks like RayRay's having no effect on the play--it's 11 on 10.

Thanks for the work ya'll put in. I look forward to this thread every week

IMO Tart screws up for sure, he vacates his assignment because the bench out of the backfield does not get out there right away, Tart was supposed to give #2 (the TE) a jam in his stem then let him release and peak the flat and buzz out there with the bench, he got caught up in the drama of the play...

This is a killer route combo! Used smash and scissors in the same play, two different concepts... this play is read inside out with the deep routes post/corner, then top to bottom like smash with the corner/bench... scissors attacks the single high safety, peak at the post then the corner, if the corner sinks check down to the bench at #3 (same read as smash)...
[ Edited by riverrunzthruit on Oct 5, 2017 at 2:23 PM ]
Looks like they're rip-ing. As thl noted, Tartt's job is to carry that route if its vertical, which it is.
[ Edited by Heroism on Oct 5, 2017 at 10:53 AM ]
Originally posted by thl408:

what could we have done to defend these checkdowns???
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
what could we have done to defend these checkdowns???
It's a byproduct of the scheme, those checkdowns are allowed, but the reaction to them can be better. Zone defenders have to be aware of their surroundings while reading the QB's dropback and eyes. If there's a shallow route in front of them, and it looks like the QB is looking over them, they are probably being high-low'ed (vertically stretched). Understand the timing of play (QB dropback), take away the high, then start getting ready to jump the low (any checkdown to the RB) - having zone awareness from the underneath defenders.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
what could we have done to defend these checkdowns???
It's a byproduct of the scheme, those checkdowns are allowed, but the reaction to them can be better. Zone defenders have to be aware of their surroundings while reading the QB's dropback and eyes. If there's a shallow route in front of them, and it looks like the QB is looking over them, they are probably being high-low'ed (vertically stretched). Understand the timing of play (QB dropback), take away the high, then start getting ready to jump the low (any checkdown to the RB) - having zone awareness from the underneath defenders.

so what was the difference in preventing this compared to Fangio's scheme?
[ Edited by defenderDX on Oct 6, 2017 at 12:32 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Definitely some sort of mix up on that play. No way should 3 defenders react to a short In route. Huge missed opportunity to end the game in dramatic fashion. We could all be happy 49er fans for this week, but Hoyer had to go and make sure we can't have nice things - like a W. And even when he found Hyde, he threw it behind Hyde and force Hyde to turn back for the catch. If he hits Hyde on stride, Hyde's got a chance.

Yep. These small things are the difference between 0-4 and potentially 3-1. It's so frustrating, year after year, talking about QBs not even seeing wide open receivers.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
what could we have done to defend these checkdowns???
It's a byproduct of the scheme, those checkdowns are allowed, but the reaction to them can be better. Zone defenders have to be aware of their surroundings while reading the QB's dropback and eyes. If there's a shallow route in front of them, and it looks like the QB is looking over them, they are probably being high-low'ed (vertically stretched). Understand the timing of play (QB dropback), take away the high, then start getting ready to jump the low (any checkdown to the RB) - having zone awareness from the underneath defenders.

Hopefully Foster's return will help this out.
Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
what could we have done to defend these checkdowns???
It's a byproduct of the scheme, those checkdowns are allowed, but the reaction to them can be better. Zone defenders have to be aware of their surroundings while reading the QB's dropback and eyes. If there's a shallow route in front of them, and it looks like the QB is looking over them, they are probably being high-low'ed (vertically stretched). Understand the timing of play (QB dropback), take away the high, then start getting ready to jump the low (any checkdown to the RB) - having zone awareness from the underneath defenders.

Hopefully Foster's return will help this out.
i think so. dude nearly had a pick 6 in his first NFL snap
Appreciate the work that goes into this thread. Learn a lot with the clips.

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SoCold:
there's another play the pass he threw away had Taylor open at the corner of the endzone

see it on the first page now

nice two easy shots to win the game and nope lol
I don't think Taylor was open. The CB peeled off once Hoyer threw the ball away. On the radio broadcast, the 49ers play by play said Taylor was wide open. No way.
Look at Fusco, #63, one touch and he's tossed into the middle of nowhere.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SoCold:
there's another play the pass he threw away had Taylor open at the corner of the endzone

see it on the first page now

nice two easy shots to win the game and nope lol
I don't think Taylor was open. The CB peeled off once Hoyer threw the ball away. On the radio broadcast, the 49ers play by play said Taylor was wide open. No way.
Look at Fusco, #63, one touch and he's tossed into the middle of nowhere.

Fusco should have been flagged for illegal man down field
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Fusco should have been flagged for illegal man down field

Not sure if serious?
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Fusco should have been flagged for illegal man down field

Not sure if serious?

Forgot a smiley, but he did get tossed
Originally posted by Niners816:
Kyle's offense

This link illustrates some of Kyle's favorite concepts. Coaches call concepts and the progressions of these concepts dictates who gets the ball. These concepts are run with various personnel groups and formations. It's not necessarily calling plays for Juice it would be calling a concept that had him in a position up the progression. As a FB, I think what is referred to as "follow" in the article (I call it Texas, because that's what it was in Walsh's WCO) will be a big play for Juice when everything gets rolling.

Also the article show Power O as a big run for Kyle. Well the playaction of off the power O is what Gruden calls Spider Y Banana. The thing about this play is that the FB is usually open 90% of the time. I could see this being a big Juice play.

Patience is a virtue here...it takes time to get this stuff installed and I want no one but Kyle installing it. Let's see how it all looks by the end of the season.

I posted this in the Juice thread....in it I linked that ESPN article that highlighted Kyle's top 15 plays/concepts. I was wondering if he's shown them all so far in the first 4 games. Basically is Kyle, Kyle
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