DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by jcs:
They look confused out there...our all pro MLB Warner is making mistakes he never does. There is clearly a lack of communication out there. This is all coaching IMO.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Growing pains, DR and the defense will get better.

That's the problem, We can't really afford growing pains when we're supposed to be competing for a super bowl.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
If we had Verrett we win that game. Sigh

jason was a huge loss but this defense should not have just totally collapsed like it has

They look confused out there...our all pro MLB Warner is making mistakes he never does. There is clearly a lack of communication out there. This is all coaching IMO.

I think they were short on CBs after losing Kwaun and Norman. Ward had to play CB and Hufanga came in on that final Adams catch. That sucked. It's on Lenior though - he played it like he was playing Cover 3, bailing at the snap.

plus as young said.... this team is not getting coached up well in many peoples opinion,. who exactly is the leader of the defense. fred? even he looks lost. i never thought i would see our defense bumble and stumble around and then to top it off.. just let rodgers and adams do exactly what we thought they were going to try to do. we could not have layed down any better for them. but kyle sounds like he was ok with it. jesus

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Growing pains, DR and the defense will get better.

That's the problem, We can't really afford growing pains when we're supposed to be competing for a super bowl.

EXACTLY thank god sickaa.. i have been harping on this for days.......... the montra on the zone for a majority of fans was.. best lineup in the nfl. we are ready now to win.. which i thought was the whole point why they did not give the keys right away to trey cuz we were built to win now........ now suddenly in the dark of night.. we hear the growing pains excuse, and people who said we were built to win now are either silent or pretend they never said or thought that. if three months ago. i would have said.. i think our dc is going to have growing pains which will lead us to lose some games we should not lose which could cost us a playoff spot...... you would have had posters run to the mods saying i need to be banned for being negative

Ryans doesn't know what he is doing. The players look lost out there!

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

We need to give Ryan's at least 2 seasons to evaluate if he's good or not. His growing pains are reminiscent of Saleh's in his first 2 years. Saleh also struggled with his schemes when our DBs were weak.

The defense improved dramatically in each of his first two seasons but to be fair there was a lot more room for improvement.

I expect something between 2019 and 2020 from this year's D.

Warner looked ok vs lions, good vs eagles and pretty average (at best) against packers. Bummer he seems to have regressed from all pro

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Samson Ebukam on the difference in style between the Rams and 49ers for his DE position:

"With the Rams, I was reading. But here, it's just attack, don't read.

"I'm gonna have to make a 180 here. Attack, and the people behind me will clean it up."

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) June 2, 2021

This is a nice vid on what the Rams did last season (Tite front, two gap). It's true what Samson said. (good part starts at @ 2:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEtHfY7PA

Wow, Thl, can we pin this? That Staley is one smart dude. 1st yr Rams DC gets him Charger HC. Not too shabby. He must be really sharp, like the Kyle of Ds.

As for the 4-3FAST, you did note which # the FAST was attached to? But i wasn't thinking the Brandon Staley D....like it was stated, not every team has a Donald that eats up two blockers nor do they have a Jalen Ramsey that absolutely takes their #1 WR out of the game. My thot was that Demeco was saying what has been noted above....we'd see more LB blitzing....or corners.

I linked the Rams video just to show what Samson was doing last season.

That is the one best vid i have seen in a long time. It is terrific...and so was the Rams D...with two 5 star players. That helped too. But i agree completely wtih your first post above. Demeco was talking (i think) about LBs/CB blitzing. We all wished we had seen more of that from Saleh. But he stayed pretty true to 4 man DL rush, straight up

oops...i miscalled Samson both Stanley and Staley. My mistakes. I'd still like to see this pinned for quick review. Watched it 6x already.

This is a continuation on the discussion about the Tite front and how Brandon Staley (LAC head coach) is about to start a league trend. This video is very well done and I recommend it. The video starts off talking about the 4-3 Cover 3 scheme and how the outside zone run scheme counters it.
It then talks about the Tite front with mention to how it counters the outside zone scheme that has spread around the league due to Kyle Shanahan's influence, how Chip Kelly used the Tite front at Oregon (with Armstead at 4i technique), and how Vic Fangio influenced the "gap and a half" concept. The video linked in the OP is good, but this video is better imo.


This is related to our DC because he has a chance to adopt new concepts into his defense, make it his own, and help modernize the 49ers defense. The 49ers offense is already seeing this in 2021. Without a doubt Kyle sees this and is adapting - he got himself a QB that can contribute to the run scheme, and a big guard to get more push up the middle (so far a meh pick, but that's for another thread). As we watch the 2021 season unfold, this is something I'll monitor in the 49er opponents.

Tite front on the 1st play from scrimmage 2021 week 3. What I can't tell is if the 3 DL are playing gap and a half.

When it comes to defending the run, the Tite front is near opposite of the wide9. The wide9 looks to contain all runs to the inside of the two wide9 DEs - keep the run inside the tackle box. The Tite front looks to clog up the middle and spill the run to the outside where second level defenders rally and gang tackle. It's a major commitment and isn't something a DC switches up for a certain week. A defense has to commit to it so I don't expect Ryans to do any of this, this season. For the future, when Ryans has more confidence in what he's doing and what he (or Kyle) wants, we'll see.

hey thl, have you watched any Seattle games? I haven't really been paying attention to them, but I did see a Seahawks X's & O's guy mention something about how they've moved from their traditional 4-3 under to a tite front as their base.

Originally posted by Heroism:
hey thl, have you watched any Seattle games? I haven't really been paying attention to them, but I did see a Seahawks X's & O's guy mention something about how they've moved from their traditional 4-3 under to a 4-3 tite front as their base.

As far I understand, the Tite front is a 5 man front, so 4-3 Tite sounds weird. I have not watched SEA games but I may be able to access their games to find out tonight. If I were to describe Tite using common terms, I'd say it's a 3-4 Bear front.

Seems like GB had 5 man fronts

Originally posted by thl408:
As far I understand, the Tite front is a 5 man front, so 4-3 Tite sounds weird. I have not watched SEA games but I may be able to access their games to find out tonight. If I were to describe Tite using common terms, I'd say it's a 3-4 Bear front.

Whoops, that's my mistake. I accidentally typed 4-3 under twice and forgot to delete the 4-3 when I rewrote tite front.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Seems like GB had 5 man fronts

And 3 IDL against 49ers 11 personnel. Interesting.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
As far I understand, the Tite front is a 5 man front, so 4-3 Tite sounds weird. I have not watched SEA games but I may be able to access their games to find out tonight. If I were to describe Tite using common terms, I'd say it's a 3-4 Bear front.

Whoops, that's my mistake. I accidentally typed 4-3 under twice and forgot to delete the 4-3 when I rewrote tite front.

All good. I'm not going to question your knowledge on DL fronts.