Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Wow, that video is awesome and super informative. I hope that dude is getting paid because it probably took him weeks, maybe months, to make that video.
Originally posted by thl408:
So let's move the discussion along. How does an outside zone scheme counter this Tite front, because that question is coming for all these offenses that have adopted the Shanahan version of outside zone. Kyle has gotten himself a QB that can allow him to play 11 v 11 in the running game. Is it trying to power through the B/C gaps with inside zone? More WR end arounds that try to capture the edge with more speed than what a RB can provide? Toss sweeps that try to avoid the "bear-like" front by out running those 3 IDL? This might belong in the Kyle thread but whatever.
It seems like quick-hitting gap concepts would be the way to. OL being able to get off the ball and get on their blocks/get vertical immediately instead of having to double and climb.
I'm not X's and O's guy, it seems like counter plays and getting the QB involved in the run game would be a massive pain in the ass for a tite front. 
It really is a well done video. I like the background he provides so he can show the evolution.
Getting the QB involved is the most obvious and impactful way to provide multiplicity and variation to a running game. As far as blocking concepts to combat this Tite front, there's a nice opening in between the 4i and the OLB, perhaps have a lead blocker through there (vertical blocking like you said) and punish that C gap. Perhaps more fullback usage to help bust through that first layer of defenders. Like most 5 man fronts, getting past that first layer is difficult but if you can do that, the potential for a large gain is possible. Two high safeties means there's more room to cover for that playside safety to get get downhill to help stuff the run. Whatever the adjustment is, I trust Kyle will be on it.
Great video and quality posts, thanks y'all. Learned from this for sure. Wonder if this is partly what Kyle had in mind when he mixed in more counters and gap run plays last year.
From a passing standpoint, I remember teams hitting short outside the numbers a lot against Fangio's quarters shell. Easy 7 yard comebacks with outside Wars, Ohio concepts, etc. Basically feast on the soft underneath area in Quarters or Quarters match and march down the field slowly (of course Fangio's defenses have all been excellent shutting teams down closer to the RZ). Not sure how it fits in Kyle's offensive style though, he likes the condensed sets.
The other thing which I'm sure he wants is speed and to threaten the safeties deep. Safeties will usually play 10 yards off and flat-footed, so they can be vulnerable. And then in theory, with the Tite front the DL isn't ready to tee off, unlike a 3T / wide 9 / edge rushers in 3-4 . And there's just 1 edge rusher. Unless it's a 5 man rush with 2 edges, which then opens up possibilities elsewhere.
even if our pass rushers beat their guy it didn't matter.