Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Niners99:
That's such a false narrative. First off, how do you know whats in his head? Second, he wasn't getting any protection. No QB looks good when hes forced to get rid of the ball way too early.

I swear, people are still on the same crap from the Alex Smith days. Defensive players on top of the QB as soon as the ball is snapped, and somehow the outcome is the QB's fault.

You are right. Its the same argument from the AS days. And its the same silly argument that "its the OLine not the QB."

It is possible for a QB and an OLine to play poorly at the same time. It doesnt have to be one or the other.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I know you've all been wanting to get grant's hot takes

https://t.co/NPLFFgBVwE

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 20, 2019

Hes a world class troll. He makes up for his total lack of writing talent by stirring the pot. He cant get attention from good journalism, so he riles people up. That has become a legitimate way to make it in the sports media business these days, sadly. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe provide entertainment for dumb sports fans of all ages using this same format. On a micro level, Grant Cohn provides entertainment for dumb 49er fans who can be swayed by whatever the latest drama is.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but that is precisely how his father, Lowell Cohn, was like with the San Francisco Chronicle for many years. "You want longevity in this business, son, you have to stir up the public debate." The Cohn's kryptonite is when a team is humming on all cylinders.

Personally, as a journalist, I don't think you really can do a lot of trolling nowadays (unless it's something genuine to report like Kawakami on the Harbaugh/Ballke feud) - since pretty much everybody can post stuff on a blog and have an audience. I mean guys like NY85 and NCcommand, ThL, Hero, JD, MD, etc.. (too many to name) are walking football encyclopedias. I'd rather read their stuff and learn something than read ConeHead's junk and actually get dummer.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Hoping he's just scared. Because if he's in year 2.5 of Shanahan's offense and is still not understanding the offense... we're screwed.

I think it's a little bit of both...I mean let's be real, he's run Kyle's offense truly for like 3 games. I don't even think he was rolling out a ton of Kyle's offense (with all the verbiage) back in 2017.

He's hardly played. BDN has more snaps than him and has been in the offense since kyle got here.

You could tell he wasn't sure about the knee and rightfully so, dude hasn't had real live snaps since September. Hopefully he can get a good half of football under his belt next week.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
This is essentially Jimmy's first year in Kyle's offense, we tend to forget that. It ain't gonna look pretty all the time

you tell that to those in this thread who have breathlessly predicted comeback player of the year. 4000 yards 35 touchdowns,, and you know its been done. the philosophy all all should be.... take it easy. ease him back, it is a well known fact your first year after an acl is not going to be stellar, those posters who love to use excuses for kyle and lynch should be happy to know they can kick the can further down the road. this was an 8 win team in my opinion with a healthy jimmy and if he is going to have some peaks and valleys and if our o line remains garbage. which it most likely will. we may have to revise downward

You can look at it that way, or you can look at the facts and come to a different conclusion.

Garoppolo need study the playbook and must memory. If he was mistake to throw the ints. He need watch the film and study himself. He got $$$ lot moneys.. I know, he was frustrated. He need learn to about his responsible what he is doing!

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
Garoppolo need study the playbook and must memory. If he was mistake to throw the ints. He need watch the film and study himself. He got $$$ lot moneys.. I know, he was frustrated. He need learn to about his responsible what he is doing!

We know Nick Mullens does.

Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Originally posted by Heroism:

Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

I brought that up last night...not one single play-action call and they were running the ball well. That's his bread and butter, plus it's a easy way to get him in rhythm.

That was my issue with Kyle and how he handled jimmy last night...a couple things went wrong that's for sure

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

I would assume Shanahan felt like he dialed up easy-to-execute plays in which he could establish a rhythm without turning his back to the defense.

Color me a tad concerned. Had Jimmy G. gone off and thrown for 100-yards and two TD's and burned the Broncos up and down the field last night, I would be right here, dismissing it, as "preseason and nothing more." In other words, it would have meant nothing in the big scheme of things.

But he didn't do that. And I am a tad concerned. I should just dismiss it as "preseason and nothing more," but for some reason I can't. The QB I saw last night looked skittish and not in control. He did not look confident. The QB who was a step ahead of all defenders two seasons ago was a step behind last night.

If Jimmy G. does not work out, I wonder if Jed York will give Shanny and Lynch the time they need to draft another QB and develop him. Both Beathard and Mullens are quality backups. They are not front line starters. Mullens has the mind, but not the arm. Beathard has the arm, but not the mind. I do believe that Shanahan CAN draft a QB, if he needs one. The question is, will Jed York be patient enough to continue the rebuild for another two seasons? Because, if we fall flat on our faces this season and it becomes apparent that Jimmy G. is not the answer, it will take two seasons to draft and let a QB grow into a winner.

That's a five year rebuild. Which is a lot to ask for.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
This is essentially Jimmy's first year in Kyle's offense, we tend to forget that. It ain't gonna look pretty all the time

you tell that to those in this thread who have breathlessly predicted comeback player of the year. 4000 yards 35 touchdowns,, and you know its been done. the philosophy all all should be.... take it easy. ease him back, it is a well known fact your first year after an acl is not going to be stellar, those posters who love to use excuses for kyle and lynch should be happy to know they can kick the can further down the road. this was an 8 win team in my opinion with a healthy jimmy and if he is going to have some peaks and valleys and if our o line remains garbage. which it most likely will. we may have to revise downward

You can look at it that way, or you can look at the facts and come to a different conclusion.

if our o line remains garbage and if jimmy struggles this year for WHATEVER reason we may not win 8 games., tell me what cc said wrong please

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm pretty sure by week 5 no one will be remembering this game.

A common refrain after a poor preseason game. I hope you're right.

Seems to me that the time to worry about this stuff is when it matters. My takeaway from his 5 game winning streak in 2017 was that he was a football player, didn't know the offense all that well but went out and balled and looked pretty good doing it most of the time. Sometimes a lack of knowledge can be a good thing, you just rely on your instincts and go out and get it done.

As he gets deeper into the nuances of Shanahan's system there are probably a lot of other variables at play which is why he might have seemed a step behind in his starts last year and why it sucks that he hurt his knee. If he had stayed healthy he would have had that season to get more familiar with the actual game time execution of the offense and would have been ready to roll this year with their (hopefully) improved defense. Best case scenario is that his rough outing last night and his five pick practice are both things he will learn from and put behind him. He only has 10 starts in his career but they can't use that as an excuse this season. Their "window" is open. Time for everyone to step and show what they are capable of.

I'm not really concerned if it doesn't show up in preseason as long as they are using the experience to hone their game for when it counts. I recall, not that many years ago, there was some team that was lighting it up in preseason, winning every game and looking like world beaters in the process. I think they went on to win something like four games during the regular season with more or less the same roster, that is with no major injuries. Right now the only thing the preseason has shown us is that our reserves are better than two other team's reserves, which is a good thing for us, since it means our depth is getting better, but with so many starters sitting out these first two games I am not sure it provides an accurate assessment of what the regular season might look like.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Color me a tad concerned. Had Jimmy G. gone off and thrown for 100-yards and two TD's and burned the Broncos up and down the field last night, I would be right here, dismissing it, as "preseason and nothing more." In other words, it would have meant nothing in the big scheme of things.

But he didn't do that. And I am a tad concerned. I should just dismiss it as "preseason and nothing more," but for some reason I can't. The QB I saw last night looked skittish and not in control. He did not look confident. The QB who was a step ahead of all defenders two seasons ago was a step behind last night.

If Jimmy G. does not work out, I wonder if Jed York will give Shanny and Lynch the time they need to draft another QB and develop him. Both Beathard and Mullens are quality backups. They are not front line starters. Mullens has the mind, but not the arm. Beathard has the arm, but not the mind. I do believe that Shanahan CAN draft a QB, if he needs one. The question is, will Jed York be patient enough to continue the rebuild for another two seasons? Because, if we fall flat on our faces this season and it becomes apparent that Jimmy G. is not the answer, it will take two seasons to draft and let a QB grow into a winner.

That's a five year rebuild. Which is a lot to ask for.

good wording. a tad concerned about jimmy is right..... a major concern about the o line would be appropriate in my opinion. people are not going to feel sorry for jimmy cuz he has a bad knee, they know our pass protection is crap. just like they did with ck back in the day. they will bring a rush from the edge like they did last night. the fact that a older staley got abused is concerning as we just assume the tackles are the strong point of the line,,. expose our piss poor pass protection. we better hope to hell the run blocking for the backs can provide some distraction and relief

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Seems to me that the time to worry about this stuff is when it matters. My takeaway from his 5 game winning streak in 2017 was that he was a football player, didn't know the offense all that well but went out and balled and looked pretty good doing it most of the time. Sometimes a lack of knowledge can be a good thing, you just rely on your instincts and go out and get it done.

As he gets deeper into the nuances of Shanahan's system there are probably a lot of other variables at play which is why he might have seemed a step behind in his starts last year and why it sucks that he hurt his knee. If he had stayed healthy he would have had that season to get more familiar with the actual game time execution of the offense and would have been ready to roll this year with their (hopefully) improved defense. Best case scenario is that his rough outing last night and his five pick practice are both things he will learn from and put behind him. He only has 10 starts in his career but they can't use that as an excuse this season. Their "window" is open. Time for everyone to step and show what they are capable of.

I'm not really concerned if it doesn't show up in preseason as long as they are using the experience to hone their game for when it counts. I recall, not that many years ago, there was some team that was lighting it up in preseason, winning every game and looking like world beaters in the process. I think they went on to win something like four games during the regular season with more or less the same roster, that is with no major injuries. Right now the only thing the preseason has shown us is that our reserves are better than two other team's reserves, which is a good thing for us, since it means our depth is getting better, but with so many starters sitting out these first two games I am not sure it provides an accurate assessment of what the regular season might look like.

Sure, but we're talking about Garoppolo. I don't know how anybody could watch that train wreck yesterday and not be concerned about his ability to translate it to the regular season. Maybe he can...I hope he can. But I don't see how you can just sweep it under the rug and say "Welp, dat's the preseason for ya!"

Zero of Shanahan's play calls last night asked Garoppolo to frantically throw what should have been two picks in six attempts.

Originally posted by cciowa:

if our o line remains garbage and if jimmy struggles this year for WHATEVER reason we may not win 8 games., tell me what cc said wrong please

You said nothing wrong. I just dont prefer to view the team the way you do. I think the facts say that he hasn't thrown in one year in a real game, and that is a great DLine that they played against. Von Miller and chub aren't Ian Williams or demarcus Dobbs. Also we didnt play a lot of our starting pass catchers or starting defenders. Also its preseason. So you can look at it half full or half empty. You can scare yourself silly or you can enjoy the fact that he's back and that our defense looks great. Up to you.