Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Jimmy G needs to choke the chicken and clean out the pipes

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Jimmy G needs to choke the chicken and clean out the pipes

lol

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by okdkid:
The good thing about Garoppolo's obvious struggles is that it's all between the ears. There's nothing the defense is doing to him he needs to figure out. He just needs to get clocked once or twice and realize he's okay.

That's such a false narrative. First off, how do you know whats in his head? Second, he wasn't getting any protection. No QB looks good when hes forced to get rid of the ball way too early.

I swear, people are still on the same crap from the Alex Smith days. Defensive players on top of the QB as soon as the ball is snapped, and somehow the outcome is the QB's fault.

Ok, then how do you know? The alternative is much, much worse. Defend Jimmy.

JG just needs to watch a youtube video on QBing.

problem solved.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by okdkid:
The good thing about Garoppolo's obvious struggles is that it's all between the ears. There's nothing the defense is doing to him he needs to figure out. He just needs to get clocked once or twice and realize he's okay.

That's such a false narrative. First off, how do you know whats in his head? Second, he wasn't getting any protection. No QB looks good when hes forced to get rid of the ball way too early.

I swear, people are still on the same crap from the Alex Smith days. Defensive players on top of the QB as soon as the ball is snapped, and somehow the outcome is the QB's fault.

Ok, then how do you know? The alternative is much, much worse. Defend Jimmy.

JG just needs to watch a youtube video on QBing.

problem solved.

Just one?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
C'mon man, that's the most hater comment ever. No coach has ever actually believed that. Many will be confident in their chess game abilities but they still know it's all about execution by the players on the field. That's why Walsh, Holmgren and Shanny sr were absolute sticklers about every last detail of every play. Because for things to work later, they have to work now. When that happens, it's unstoppable. But they never expect themselves to just, "wow" everybody.

Also, what have teams done to, "adjust" to Kyle's system? For real? I want to know. You guys act like this was an actual game with a game-plan and scripted plays. It wasn't. We didn't even see Jimmy run a bootleg slide concept which is a staple of this offense. It looked like we ran 2 of the oldest concepts in the game just to get some simple reads going. We ran a couple china concepts and a slant/flat. I couldn't see what the other batted pass was, but it wasn't like we were running the kinds of plays Shanny is so great at. Why show that stuff in pre-season? No point. You can work on it in practice just as easily.

you are right. there is no fancy dancy adjustment to kyles so called system... the other teams defense just does a pass rush and we fold. if you are not concerned about our pass protection. you are just whistling past the end zone my friend. and yes,, last year we saw teams do the adjustments and we come out stumbling in the second half of games. as if we are stunned other teams figured us out. thus all the losses. thus unable to win on the road.. then you thrown in our team was not ready to play many games last year. which is totally on your coach

Originally posted by jonnydel:
C'mon man, that's the most hater comment ever. No coach has ever actually believed that. Many will be confident in their chess game abilities but they still know it's all about execution by the players on the field. That's why Walsh, Holmgren and Shanny sr were absolute sticklers about every last detail of every play. Because for things to work later, they have to work now. When that happens, it's unstoppable. But they never expect themselves to just, "wow" everybody.

Also, what have teams done to, "adjust" to Kyle's system? For real? I want to know. You guys act like this was an actual game with a game-plan and scripted plays. It wasn't. We didn't even see Jimmy run a bootleg slide concept which is a staple of this offense. It looked like we ran 2 of the oldest concepts in the game just to get some simple reads going. We ran a couple china concepts and a slant/flat. I couldn't see what the other batted pass was, but it wasn't like we were running the kinds of plays Shanny is so great at. Why show that stuff in pre-season? No point. You can work on it in practice just as easily.

Then don't put JG in at all.

If both the QB and coaching staff are going to go out in a pre-season game against the 1st team defense and half ass it with "china concepts", then you are only opening your self up to risk of injury and depleting the QBs mental state. We seem to have accomplished the latter, luckily he did not get hammered on the INT. Seems to me like even starting him was a mistake if you are not going to commit to the game at some level of complexity and focus with the intent of removing doubt from his psyche.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm pretty sure by week 5 no one will be remembering this game.

A common refrain after a poor preseason game. I hope you're right.

the pass protection issues were there after last year in pre season. they were there after last years regular season no matter the qb. they are still here. those are facts

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by okdkid:
The good thing about Garoppolo's obvious struggles is that it's all between the ears. There's nothing the defense is doing to him he needs to figure out. He just needs to get clocked once or twice and realize he's okay.

That's such a false narrative. First off, how do you know whats in his head? Second, he wasn't getting any protection. No QB looks good when hes forced to get rid of the ball way too early.

I swear, people are still on the same crap from the Alex Smith days. Defensive players on top of the QB as soon as the ball is snapped, and somehow the outcome is the QB's fault.

Ok, then how do you know? The alternative is much, much worse. Defend Jimmy.

JG just needs to watch a youtube video on QBing.

problem solved.

i do believe our biggest weakness is the OL, the interior is horrible, even with Person and Richbug in the line up, it's not great.

Jimmy needs better pass blocking.

But the dude also hasn't played in a year. Let's give him another shot on Saturday, most starters play a half in the 3rd game.

Not hitting the panic button just yet.

Worst Case Scenario, we start 0-4, give Mullens a shot.

Originally posted by vermonator:
You can put the blame all on Garopollo if you wan't, but it was a combination of things that caused his poor performance. He had a lot of rust to shake off with little time to do it in, not to mention that he was playing behind a back-up center and right guard. The play calling was pretty vanilla too, but if it were a real game I'm sure that Shanahan and Garoppolo could have dialed it up and adapted. The bright side is that Garoppolo didn't get hurt and will be able to to have another chance to get his mojo back. If you want to be one of the media idiots like Grant Gohen who get a hard on every time Jimmy G fails, then you got issues. But whatever... Go Niners!

Unfortunately, the back-up center will probably be our starting center and our starting right guard is average at best.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Don't know why Jimmy just doesn't throw it away. Even if he completes those passes... they were for what... 5 yards? Risk/reward just not worth it.

That throw with Chubb about to sack him should have been a throw away without question. That's my biggest issue with him. He's got to protect the ball better.

This offense will allow you to make good throws once you understand how it works. Take the sack/throw it away live to fight next down.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Personally I would have never played him for this very reason. How poor of OL talent that you know you're on national TV and Kyle is asking you to protect the franchise coming back from an ACL and you completely flop. Horrendous display by everyone on that OL. JG looked terrified to plant his foot let alone look past the pressure that was instantly coming. Then Kyle calls his intermediate routes. JG needed some nice easy passes to at least start. He was never going to get in any rhythm but at least give the man a chance.

Kyle better be careful. Numerous talented QB's have been psychologically destroyed in this league due to horrendous OL play. Hell, we've harbored about half a dozen here alone over the years.

I"m the opposite. This is the perfect time to play him because he's facing a serious pass rush and has 2nd and 3rd stringers playing on the OLine. Lets see how he handles the pressure after being away from the game for a year. To me, I want to see how much he still has to progress vs protecting him and not letting him face a real defense and allowing him to mentally speed up his clock in the pocket. Yeah there's an injury risk aspect to it, that's why Kyle didn't call any play action passes. As for the psychological risk, he pulled Jimmy out before he could get too frustrated and too disappointed, and that will save his mental confidence.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Nothing in preseason is concerning for established starters. Jimmy's performance didn't matter just like Flacco's performance didn't matter. He didn't have to worry about Deforest Buckner, Dee Ford and Nick Bosa coming at him.

Preseason matters to guys competing for a job. I wanted Jimmy to get hit a couple of times and then get up so that he could get that mentally behind him. I wanted him to come away healthy.

If Jimmy played like Flacco with just backup Dlineman coming at him, I would still say it didn't matter.

See this is where I am going to stop you. I dont disagree with you that preseason is irrelevant for established starters. However, I fail to see how Jimmy can be considered an established starter. He has had very little actual game time in his career, and was rehabbing an injury for the last 11 months. This isnt a Flacco situation. This is similar to a 2nd year player.

He should have played more yesterday, and his performance was absolutely concerning.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know why Jimmy just doesn't throw it away. Even if he completes those passes... they were for what... 5 yards? Risk/reward just not worth it.

That throw with Chubb about to sack him should have been a throw away without question. That's my biggest issue with him. He's got to protect the ball better.

This offense will allow you to make good throws once you understand how it works. Take the sack/throw it away live to fight next down.

Hoping he's just scared. Because if he's in year 2.5 of Shanahan's offense and is still not understanding the offense... we're screwed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Personally I would have never played him for this very reason. How poor of OL talent that you know you're on national TV and Kyle is asking you to protect the franchise coming back from an ACL and you completely flop. Horrendous display by everyone on that OL. JG looked terrified to plant his foot let alone look past the pressure that was instantly coming. Then Kyle calls his intermediate routes. JG needed some nice easy passes to at least start. He was never going to get in any rhythm but at least give the man a chance.

Kyle better be careful. Numerous talented QB's have been psychologically destroyed in this league due to horrendous OL play. Hell, we've harbored about half a dozen here alone over the years.

Dude he needs game reps...I was worried at first but he's gotta move around that pocket a little. Joe (our best lineman top 5 LT) totally whiffed on Chubb. That's either his fault or someone messed up on the protection call.

I'd rather have him working out the rust now vs on 9/8...I do wish kyle would have called something easier. I didn't see a single play-action call with him there, maybe throw a bootleg to get him moving a little.

I don't think the OL played well, but it wasn't just on them.

I hope he get's to play the whole 1st half next week...Jimmy G needs to get his swag back.

Originally posted by captainhook:

Unfortunately, the back-up center will probably be our starting center and our starting right guard is average at best.

We don't know if that's true (with richburg), and while Person isn't winning pro-bowls he was fine last yr. you can always upgrade there but he was 18th overall guard last yr.