Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
This is really no big deal IMO regarding Jimmy G...

This is my read on what happened, it looked like Denver had used the prior two days joint practices to scheme the h3ll out of our O and write a good book on it, and knew what was coming. Kyle did zero game planning for the Denver D, he just ran his vanilla preseason stuff and it was easy for Denver to see what was coming and when.

Count me as not worried.

Agreed, great post.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

Why show our bread and butter in a meaningless preseason game?

Not concerned about JG at this point. I am more worried about his protection and how it's screwing his thinking, but we know when he's just playing he has the tools.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

no because I take preseason play-calling with a grain of salt and don't criticize the play-calling. what im looking for is player evaluation, and making sure no one gets hurt. all i give a s**t about. if we saw that in week 1? uh yeah, i'd be a little curious as to what the hell is going on when like you said; our offense is predicated around PA and the outside zone.

**edit the one thing I WILL criticize is the play-calling to help establish a rhythm for jimmy. the staff did him no favors either. I think Kyle even admitted that.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

Its the 2nd preseason game of the year, You guys are looking into this way too much

I have a hypothesis on that. After two joint practices where the 49ers may have shown a lot of their playbook, DEN may not have fallen for the boot action. Rather than risk DEN being all over the playaction, and hitting Jimmy just as he completes the playaction, have Jimmy always be facing the rush. Also, most playaction plays are 7 step timing. If Jimmy gets hit doing this, then this is us today, "omg why did they call 7 step drops!!1!1one!"

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

Its the 2nd preseason game of the year, You guys are looking into this way too much

Let me approach this a different way then....

We have our franchise QB playing his first gametime since a bad injury, and we dont want to put him in the best situation to succeed? We dont want to run the sets that he is likely to run a lot of during the season? We dont want to make him comfortable?

I dont think analyzing the playcalls and being concerned about what we saw is "looking into this way too much" at all. No one is saying Jimmy sucks or we need a new QB. Just that what we saw last night was concerning. And I dont think that is out of line at all.

they make a great point here



all QB's (wentz, brady) were never the same 1 season after coming back from their ACL's (for their individual standards, it took them time.) it will take Jimmy time probably. heck, even more so due to his lack of game experience. worth the watch

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know why Jimmy just doesn't throw it away. Even if he completes those passes... they were for what... 5 yards? Risk/reward just not worth it.

I'm sure they're gonna talk about it. I've seen Brady get strip sacked, Brees throw picks from the same type of thing. It's all good, man. Sometimes Jimmy throws picks, sometimes he takes care of the ball very, very well. It's still a process of learning risk/reward. Young didn't really get that figured out til he was like 30

I'm not a Garoppolo hater. I like him and want him to crush it. But I don't know that using Brady/Brees comparisons are fair at this point. Yes, everybody gets strip sacked. Everybody throws picks. The current issue we are dealing with is that he made some god awful decisions.

The decision-making is my concern, but perhaps he needs only time. Even in the five victories in 2017, Jimmy threw 5 interceptions vs. 7 TDs. He started 2018 by throwing 3 interceptions against Minnesota. But then he threw no picks against Detroit or KC. Perhaps Jimmy just needs time. During his five games at New England, he threw zero picks vs. 5 TDs. He had two years of practice before he replaced Brady in 2016. He hasn't had that yet here.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

Its the 2nd preseason game of the year, You guys are looking into this way too much

Let me approach this a different way then....

We have our franchise QB playing his first gametime since a bad injury, and we dont want to put him in the best situation to succeed? We dont want to run the sets that he is likely to run a lot of during the season? We dont want to make him comfortable?

I dont think analyzing the playcalls and being concerned about what we saw is "looking into this way too much" at all. No one is saying Jimmy sucks or we need a new QB. Just that what we saw last night was concerning. And I dont think that is out of line at all.

it's definitely something worth nothing and being cognizant of, sure. I'll agree. concerning? come on, lol.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

Its the 2nd preseason game of the year, You guys are looking into this way too much

I have a hypothesis on that. After two joint practices where the 49ers may have shown a lot of their playbook, DEN may not have fallen for the boot action. Rather than risk DEN being all over the playaction, and hitting Jimmy just as he completes the playaction, have Jimmy always be facing the rush. Also, most playaction plays are 7 step timing. If Jimmy gets hit doing this, then this is us today, "omg why did they call 7 step drops!!1!1one!"

Right -- but then did the Broncos 2nd string not also have exposure to the playbook? Because players from the same opposing team were being exploited by the exact same offense they were exposed to all week. And since the ones played the ones and the twos played the twos... it's not a matter of a talent mismatch.

You guys really think that playaction and 21 personnel (someone made a thread about the 49ers not using a fullback), two things that this offense is known for, is going to suddenly go away? Come on, men.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Argh, I hate to bring this dude up, but he mentioned something that also crossed my mind. Cohn mentioned that Jimmy had zero play-action passes last night.

Why?!

Just because someone is stupid, doesnt mean all of his thoughts are stupid.

That is one thing that drives me nuts about the anti-Grant Cohn people. Yes. overall he is a moron who says dumb things. But that doesnt mean everything he says needs to be dismissed.

Cohn was right on with his comments about Jimmy's lack of playaction last night. A very good point.

i wouldnt weigh too much into that after only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game.

So you are saying that the lack of playaction last night, when our entire offense is predicated on outside zone and the playaction off of it, is not something worth noting? I think it was absolutely a valid point and kind of headscratching that we didnt see any of it.

no because I take preseason play-calling with a grain of salt and don't criticize the play-calling. what im looking for is player evaluation, and making sure no one gets hurt. all i give a s**t about. if we saw that in week 1? uh yeah, i'd be a little curious as to what the hell is going on when like you said; our offense is predicated around PA and the outside zone.

**edit the one thing I WILL criticize is the play-calling to help establish a rhythm for jimmy. the staff did him no favors either. I think Kyle even admitted that.

So with your edit, dont you think even ONE playaction pass playcall would have helped establish a rhythm for Jimmy? Because I do.

You also mentioned in this post that what you are looking for is player evaluation. Well on a previous page, you completely dismissed Jimmy's play last night because it was "only like 7 pass attempts or less in a preseason/vanilla offensive game."

So you are seemingly just making excuses and/or contradicting previous posts you made.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Giedi:
You said nothing wrong. I just dont prefer to view the team the way you do. I think the facts say that he hasn't thrown in one year in a real game, and that is a great DLine that they played against. Von Miller and chub aren't Ian Williams or demarcus Dobbs. Also we didnt play a lot of our starting pass catchers or starting defenders. Also its preseason. So you can look at it half full or half empty. You can scare yourself silly or you can enjoy the fact that he's back and that our defense looks great. Up to you.

i think just saying, its only pre season and denver has a good defense is nothing but denial and deflection to a serious issue on our team . you could also call it sweeping it under the rug. its up to you

Yeah, says the guy who was convinced we couldn't sign Jimmy to a long term contract. Yeah I tried back then to help you look at it realistically, it didnt work then, so why bother now.

sure,. i was wrong about that. so what.. i was not wrong about our pass protection woes last year or so far this year. last year at this time. many were saying. the offensive line is not as bad as the chicken littles are saying. well no matter the qb last year we saw it was. so one year later the same things by the overly optimistic homers are being said. its only pre season. we are vanilla. denver has a good defense etc etc

Originally posted by okdkid:
Sure, but we're talking about Garoppolo. I don't know how anybody could watch that train wreck yesterday and not be concerned about his ability to translate it to the regular season. Maybe he can...I hope he can. But I don't see how you can just sweep it under the rug and say "Welp, dat's the preseason for ya!"

Zero of Shanahan's play calls last night asked Garoppolo to frantically throw what should have been two picks in six attempts.

So 2017 and his numbers last year were a fluke? All y'all could talk about last year was the pick 6 called back where the RB ran a wrong route. Other than that, Jimmy torched the KC defense in the 2nd half.

Jimmy haters have selective amnesia.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
The decision-making is my concern, but perhaps he needs only time. Even in the five victories in 2017, Jimmy threw 5 interceptions vs. 7 TDs. He started 2018 by throwing 3 interceptions against Minnesota. But then he threw no picks against Detroit or KC. Perhaps Jimmy just needs time. During his five games at New England, he threw zero picks vs. 5 TDs. He had two years of practice before he replaced Brady in 2016. He hasn't had that yet here.

People always forget the Garoppolo threw a soul crushing (and what would have been a game-losing) pick 6 vs. Detroit. He was bailed out by an unrelated penalty.