Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Nfl radio host and former GM pat kirwan. Has SF taking Thomas and says he's a 3-tech like Donald. He's a plug and play starter and and ideal pick for us

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Nfl radio host and form GM pat kirwan

Has SF taking Thomas and says he's a 3-tech like Donald. He's a plug and play starter and and ideal pick for us

I hope Lynch agrees. No need to go for an inside the park home run in your first draft. Take the triple and look for more in the other rounds.


Outside of Garrett and Adams, I dont see a safer pick than Thomas and a dominant interior lineman is a better value than a dominant in the box safety.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

i agree! doesnt matter where you play him. Hopefully we will never be in this position of drafting so lets take full advantage and get our JJ Watt.

I honestly think Solomon and Garrett will be like Clowney and Mack. Clowney gets all the attention from his freakish abilities while Mack stays under the radar and well...we all know how that is going now. Clowney is turning into a good player but hasnt lived up to the 1st overall billing while Mack has been playing at an all pro level since he came into the league

I know where they will play him. He will play DE in our base defense and he will kick inside to rush the passer. He is a roamer, and they can and will stand him up on occasion too.

I haven't really heard the comparison made by anyone but does anyone else see a lot of Shawne Merriman besides me?

Originally posted by JBrack:

I know where they will play him. He will play DE in our base defense and he will kick inside to rush the passer. He is a roamer, and they can and will stand him up on occasion too.

I haven't really heard the comparison made by anyone but does anyone else see a lot of Shawne Merriman besides me?

I see a beastly DL with the intelligence, outstanding motor and technique to wreak havoc all over the place.

Considering the current state of OL's in the NFC West, Thomas should have plenty opportunities to feast, even as a rookie.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've said this for awhile now... If no Garrett or a QB (Trubisky/Watson), then we should take Thomas. All other possibilities would be disappointing to me.

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Meh. The RDT/3T is the easiest to get production from. Look at Seattle's Championship DL. They got 0.5 to 7.5 sacks from that spot, something I think Armstead (esp. singled up now) and Blair should be able to get n/p if healthy. Armstead with 1 arm had 4.5 in 700 snaps. At the full 1,000 snaps, he can do it by himself without a sub like Blair. Together? N/p!

RDT/3T: Tony McDaniel/Clinton McDonald vs. Arik Armstead/Ronald Blair = 7.5 & 0.5 sacks

Much bigger needs elsewhere. The ones we REALLY need are 3 or 4 true edge rushers:

LDE/5T: Michael Bennett/Chris Clemons = 13.0 & 20.5 sacks
RDE/LEO: Cliff Avril = 9.5 & 8.0 sacks
SAM: Bruce Irvin = 8.0 & 2.0 sacks

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jreff22:
It's tank all over again. You keep him where he's at because you know what you get.

Tank was asked to put on 20+ pounds after an acl injury and learn how to play in a completely new system. The two aren't even close.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL that's not even in the same realm...Tank coming off a ACL and asked to bulk up to almost 300 lbs.

The ACL is inconsequential. We had Tank put on weight, take off weight, learn this, and then learn that. Taking a player at 2 means they should be fine as is. He shouldn't be putting on or taking off major weight. He's being drafted based off his skill and athleticism today. We aren't going to have him drop major weight and see if he possibly works at LEO. Additionally, we aren't going to have him bulk with extra weight, you run the risk of hampering his athleticism and stamina.

I know you guys think he's superman, but that's not what any team should be doing to him. Let him play his natural position and shine. There is no need to f**k with what works for him and what got him to be a top 5 pick.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

I've said this for awhile now... If no Garrett or a QB (Trubisky/Watson), then we should take Thomas. All other possibilities would be disappointing to me.

This

Meh. The RDT/3T is the easiest to get production from. Look at Seattle's Championship DL. They got 0.5 to 7.5 sacks from that spot, something I think Armstead (esp. singled up now) and Blair should be able to get n/p if healthy. Armstead with 1 arm had 4.5 in 700 snaps. At the full 1,000 snaps, he can do it by himself without a sub like Blair. Together? N/p!

RDT/3T: Tony McDaniel/Clinton McDonald vs. Arik Armstead/Ronald Blair = 7.5/0.5 sacks

Much bigger needs elsewhere. The ones we REALLY need at 3 true edge rushers

LDE/5T: Michael Bennett/Chris Clemons = 13.0 & 20.5 sacks
RDE/LEO: Cliff Avril = 9.5 & 8.0 sacks
SAM: Bruce Irvin = 8.0/2.0 sacks

Nice post but I don't think we are trying to copy anyone. Definitely more than one way to skin a cat.

Why can't we generate pressure up the middle which is the quickest path to the QB? We have some beasts up front. We can get a one trick pony later in the draft to strictly rush the passer. Or maybe Lynch comes back to form, Tank finds a place or Thomas fills the void for a year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Meh. The RDT/3T is the easiest to get production from. Look at Seattle's Championship DL. They got 0.5 to 7.5 sacks from that spot, something I think Armstead (esp. singled up now) and Blair should be able to get n/p if healthy. Armstead with 1 arm had 4.5 in 700 snaps. At the full 1,000 snaps, he can do it by himself without a sub like Blair. Together? N/p!

RDT/3T: Tony McDaniel/Clinton McDonald vs. Arik Armstead/Ronald Blair = 7.5 & 0.5 sacks

Much bigger needs elsewhere. The ones we REALLY need are 3 or 4 true edge rushers:

LDE/5T: Michael Bennett/Chris Clemons = 13.0 & 20.5 sacks
RDE/LEO: Cliff Avril = 9.5 & 8.0 sacks
SAM: Bruce Irvin = 8.0 & 2.0 sacks

Your mistake is believing the 49ers will build up their defense in exactly the same fashion.



Copying another team's approach without having the same exact personnel is a great way to ensure failure.


Do you believe that if the 49ers swapped picks with Seattle that a gamechanging lineman like Thomas would not be high up on their list? Just because you can "get by" with a lesser player doesnt mean you pass up on a great one. This team badly needs great players.



You go out and acquire the best possible personnel and build your defense around them. Back in the day the 49ers had Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield and I dont recall too many complaints about that arrangement. In the end what the 49ers are running is largely the same George Seifert defense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Your mistake is believing the 49ers will build up their defense in exactly the same fashion.

Copying another team's approach without having the same exact personnel is a great way to ensure failure.

This applies to offense as well. A lot of people gloss over the fact that Kyle inherited most of that Atlanta offense. He didn't build it.

Originally posted by JBrack:
Nice post but I don't think we are trying to copy anyone. Definitely more than one way to skin a cat.

Why can't we generate pressure up the middle which is the quickest path to the QB? We have some beasts up front. We can get a one trick pony later in the draft to strictly rush the passer. Or maybe Lynch comes back to form, Tank finds a place or Thomas fills the void for a year.

Most of the early day 2 picks could go in the late first. I dont know how many of the pure "leo's" will be there in the 2nd...that have the value at that pick.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Most of the early day 2 picks could go in the late first. I dont know how many of the pure "leo's" will be there in the 2nd...that have the value at that pick.

I think out of Harris, Rivers and a few others, a pretty good prospect will definitely be available in the second and overall the edge rushers in this draft go 4 rounds deep.


At #2 I think you have to take the highest impact player possible and to me it comes down to Thomas and Adams. High character, high talent, highly intelligent prospects with no injury concerns who can start Day 1.

This is the deepest TE and pass rusher draft maybe ever. We can and should double up on pass rushers.

Something else that I dont think was mentioned yet in this thread.

John Lynch and David Shaw were teammates at Stanford. Whether the 49ers do or don't take Thomas I imagine they will have some extremely detailed background on him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Most of the early day 2 picks could go in the late first. I dont know how many of the pure "leo's" will be there in the 2nd...that have the value at that pick.

I think out of Harris, Rivers and a few others, a pretty good prospect will definitely be available in the second and overall the edge rushers in this draft go 4 rounds deep.


At #2 I think you have to take the highest impact player possible and to me it comes down to Thomas and Adams. High character, high talent, highly intelligent prospects with no injury concerns who can start Day 1.

I think that is mandatory for our selection at 2. Not just start but contribute. Our FO wants to hit the ground running, not waiting.

Id take Thomas first, Curtis Samuel 2nd and back to back pass rushers if I was running this draft.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Something else that I dont think was mentioned yet in this thread.

John Lynch and David Shaw were teammates at Stanford. Whether the 49ers do or don't take Thomas I imagine they will have some extremely detailed background on him.

I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.