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Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Most of the early day 2 picks could go in the late first. I dont know how many of the pure "leo's" will be there in the 2nd...that have the value at that pick.

I think out of Harris, Rivers and a few others, a pretty good prospect will definitely be available in the second and overall the edge rushers in this draft go 4 rounds deep.

At #2 I think you have to take the highest impact player possible and to me it comes down to Thomas and Adams. High character, high talent, highly intelligent prospects with no injury concerns who can start Day 1.

I think Harris goes in the first. My fear is the only go around in the 2nd is Tak, and he isn't healthy. We wont touch Tim Williams and I dont think Lawson is worth the 34th pick.

Its going to be tricky.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Something else that I dont think was mentioned yet in this thread.

John Lynch and David Shaw were teammates at Stanford. Whether the 49ers do or don't take Thomas I imagine they will have some extremely detailed background on him.

Not discussed much but heavy ties to Stanford just like Walsh. Those Stanford guys are smart.
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

He is an impeccable human being. Truly a good guy
Originally posted by JBrack:
Nice post but I don't think we are trying to copy anyone. Definitely more than one way to skin a cat.

Why can't we generate pressure up the middle which is the quickest path to the QB? We have some beasts up front. We can get a one trick pony later in the draft to strictly rush the passer. Or maybe Lynch comes back to form, Tank finds a place or Thomas fills the void for a year.

Thank you.

Absolutely we'll be copying that defense...it's design was built for these very effects from this very personnel; Charles Haley and so many other attacking pass rush ends back in the day. Seattle just mirrored it with Pete "borrowing" that concept. And he's still drafting today that same kind of personnel. Bennett extended, Frank Clark, Avril, etc. Just swap out Clemons for Frank now. They'll probably draft another edge rusher this year.

Inside? No biggie...get a couple fatties for the NT/1T and a few penetrating RDT/3T's and rotate: Brandon Mebane, Red Bryant, Tony McDaniel, Clinton McDonald & Michael Bennett (used to slide inside). Today it's Ahtyba Rubin (6th), Jarran Reed (2nd), Tony McDaniel (old FA), etc. No big names. Armstead (1st) and Blair (5th) have a chance to equal or smash that production. Maybe Mitchell/Dial inside at the NT/1T...get a true NT in the 5th. Now you've got plenty of meat and versatility inside with some real upside.

How much more is Thomas going to give you over a healthy Armstead + Blair?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Your mistake is believing the 49ers will build up their defense in exactly the same fashion.

Copying another team's approach without having the same exact personnel is a great way to ensure failure.

Do you believe that if the 49ers swapped picks with Seattle that a gamechanging lineman like Thomas would not be high up on their list? Just because you can "get by" with a lesser player doesnt mean you pass up on a great one. This team badly needs great players.

You go out and acquire the best possible personnel and build your defense around them. Back in the day the 49ers had Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield and I dont recall too many complaints about that arrangement. In the end what the 49ers are running is largely the same George Seifert defense.

It's not copying their approach but rather, the very blue print of the defense itself. Kyle Shanahan wants to face a defense that makes you earn every yard. He's installing the defensive scheme here...therefore, they'll look for players who fit it just like his WCO.

Need vs. BPA argument.

IMHO we already filled that need with Armstead/Blair last year...save the BPA for the next best need since we're at the start of this rebuild. LB, ER, ZWR, CB, etc. Trade back is ideal.

You guys are getting too comfortable with this BPA...gotta give you something else to think about.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I hope Lynch agrees. No need to go for an inside the park home run in your first draft. Take the triple and look for more in the other rounds.


Outside of Garrett and Adams, I dont see a safer pick than Thomas and a dominant interior lineman is a better value than a dominant in the box safety.

Agreed
Originally posted by jreff22:
The ACL is inconsequential. We had Tank put on weight, take off weight, learn this, and then learn that. Taking a player at 2 means they should be fine as is. He shouldn't be putting on or taking off major weight. He's being drafted based off his skill and athleticism today. We aren't going to have him drop major weight and see if he possibly works at LEO. Additionally, we aren't going to have him bulk with extra weight, you run the risk of hampering his athleticism and stamina.

I know you guys think he's superman, but that's not what any team should be doing to him. Let him play his natural position and shine. There is no need to f**k with what works for him and what got him to be a top 5 pick.

Then just let him lose as a 3-tech which he had plently of success with in college. The fact that he can play wherever on hay line based on matchesup and the fact that we will be in nickle all the time is a bonus.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you.

Absolutely we'll be copying that defense...it's design was built for these very effects from this very personnel; Charles Haley and so many other attacking pass rush ends back in the day. Seattle just mirrored it with Pete "borrowing" that concept. And he's still drafting today that same kind of personnel. Bennett extended, Frank Clark, Avril, etc. Just swap out Clemons for Frank now. They'll probably draft another edge rusher this year.

Inside? No biggie...get a couple fatties for the NT/1T and a few penetrating RDT/3T's and rotate: Brandon Mebane, Red Bryant, Tony McDaniel, Clinton McDonald & Michael Bennett (used to slide inside). Today it's Ahtyba Rubin (6th), Jarran Reed (2nd), Tony McDaniel (old FA), etc. No big names. Armstead (1st) and Blair (5th) have a chance to equal or smash that production. Maybe Mitchell/Dial inside at the NT/1T...get a true NT in the 5th. Now you've got plenty of meat and versatility inside with some real upside.

How much more is Thomas going to give you over a healthy Armstead + Blair?


It's not copying their approach but rather, the very blue print of the defense itself. Kyle Shanahan wants to face a defense that makes you earn every yard. He's installing the defensive scheme here...therefore, they'll look for players who fit it just like his WCO.

Need vs. BPA argument.

IMHO we already filled that need with Armstead/Blair last year...save the BPA for the next best need since we're at the start of this rebuild. LB, ER, ZWR, CB, etc. Trade back is ideal.

You guys are getting too comfortable with this BPA...gotta give you something else to think about.

That wasn't my point. You are focused on the player. My point is do you have to have a Jerry Rice to run a wco?

No you can have a big badass like terrell owens too even though their styles of play are much different.
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

He is an impeccable human being. Truly a good guy

Good points. im not officially on his bandwagon, and I don't see myself getting on it unless he gets drafted. Then .
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
The ACL is inconsequential. We had Tank put on weight, take off weight, learn this, and then learn that. Taking a player at 2 means they should be fine as is. He shouldn't be putting on or taking off major weight. He's being drafted based off his skill and athleticism today. We aren't going to have him drop major weight and see if he possibly works at LEO. Additionally, we aren't going to have him bulk with extra weight, you run the risk of hampering his athleticism and stamina.

I know you guys think he's superman, but that's not what any team should be doing to him. Let him play his natural position and shine. There is no need to f**k with what works for him and what got him to be a top 5 pick.

Then just let him lose as a 3-tech which he had plently of success with in college. The fact that he can play wherever on hay line based on matchesup and the fact that we will be in nickle all the time is a bonus.

That has been my point the entire time. Let him play the 3 or LDE...depending on what works for Buck and situation. I dont want him at LEO, forced to change weight for it, and made to do something he's not going to really excel at.

He can bounce between the LDE and the 3. I dont want him having any part of the LEO unless we are in emergency mode.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I hope Lynch agrees. No need to go for an inside the park home run in your first draft. Take the triple and look for more in the other rounds.

Outside of Garrett and Adams, I dont see a safer pick than Thomas and a dominant interior lineman is a better value than a dominant in the box safety.

Agreed

I agree but I think something better would be ( obviously if a team agrees ) would be to trade the pick and hope for a nice haul of picks this yr and a 1st next while grabbing a nice prospect at either WR or DE, Williams or Davis or Barnett, would set this team up even better for the future..
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
The ACL is inconsequential. We had Tank put on weight, take off weight, learn this, and then learn that. Taking a player at 2 means they should be fine as is. He shouldn't be putting on or taking off major weight. He's being drafted based off his skill and athleticism today. We aren't going to have him drop major weight and see if he possibly works at LEO. Additionally, we aren't going to have him bulk with extra weight, you run the risk of hampering his athleticism and stamina.

I know you guys think he's superman, but that's not what any team should be doing to him. Let him play his natural position and shine. There is no need to f**k with what works for him and what got him to be a top 5 pick.

Then just let him lose as a 3-tech which he had plently of success with in college. The fact that he can play wherever on hay line based on matchesup and the fact that we will be in nickle all the time is a bonus.

That has been my point the entire time. Let him play the 3 or LDE...depending on what works for Buck and situation. I dont want him at LEO, forced to change weight for it, and made to do something he's not going to really excel at.

He can bounce between the LDE and the 3. I dont want him having any part of the LEO unless we are in emergency mode.

Put him at Leo against the run and he'll dominate, shift him around against the pass and he'll take advantage of matchups.
Originally posted by jersey49er:
I agree but I think something better would be ( obviously if a team agrees ) would be to trade the pick and hope for a nice haul of picks this yr and a 1st next while grabbing a nice prospect at either WR or DE, Williams or Davis or Barnett, would set this team up even better for the future..

We'd all love a trade down but who are teams moving up for? Also I don't see us getting fair comp.
Originally posted by jcs:
Put him at Leo against the run and he'll dominate, shift him around against the pass and he'll take advantage of matchups.

Then draft bowser in the 2nd to play the SAM...let lynch/Eli get a shot at LEO and draft a mid rd pass rusher
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
The ACL is inconsequential. We had Tank put on weight, take off weight, learn this, and then learn that. Taking a player at 2 means they should be fine as is. He shouldn't be putting on or taking off major weight. He's being drafted based off his skill and athleticism today. We aren't going to have him drop major weight and see if he possibly works at LEO. Additionally, we aren't going to have him bulk with extra weight, you run the risk of hampering his athleticism and stamina.

I know you guys think he's superman, but that's not what any team should be doing to him. Let him play his natural position and shine. There is no need to f**k with what works for him and what got him to be a top 5 pick.

Then just let him lose as a 3-tech which he had plently of success with in college. The fact that he can play wherever on hay line based on matchesup and the fact that we will be in nickle all the time is a bonus.

That has been my point the entire time. Let him play the 3 or LDE...depending on what works for Buck and situation. I dont want him at LEO, forced to change weight for it, and made to do something he's not going to really excel at.

He can bounce between the LDE and the 3. I dont want him having any part of the LEO unless we are in emergency mode.

I disagree, I say stand him up and let him beat the s**t out of these tackles. The OTs nowadays are used to speed rushers who aren't that speedy. They don't get challenged on strength and heart much. I think Solomon can take it to a tackle personally. Wear him out and bull him over. I dont care if he can bend and limbo under them for a sack a game. He can and will get sacks and be a force in the run game. The best part? He is only 21 and doesn't turn 22 till late December. He hasn't even physically peaked yet.
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