Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So why not have him as a 3-tech WHO CAN play the edge in certain packages. then go after someone like Bowser in the second? He would greatly improve the run D improve our pass rush which in turn would help the secondary.

IMO I don't see why he can't play the edge anyway...he's got the speed and flexibility just doesn't have the overall length. I see him getting compared to Everson Griffen a lot lately who plays off the edge.

To be a 3 tech he'd have to pick up weight and probably 20 lbs worth. Bryant Young didn't play 3 tech at 270. He's not going to be able to be a 3 tech/ Leo. Can he pickup weight and be a great 3 tech sure but I think people are getting carried away with him. He'll be a dynamic player somewhere I don't think it's at Leo though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So why not have him as a 3-tech WHO CAN play the edge in certain packages. then go after someone like Bowser in the second? He would greatly improve the run D improve our pass rush which in turn would help the secondary.

IMO I don't see why he can't play the edge anyway...he's got the speed and flexibility just doesn't have the overall length. I see him getting compared to Everson Griffen a lot lately who plays off the edge.

People don't see him doing it in college and just can't fathom someone doing something different than he did in college even though we've seen countless prospects transition to different roles in the NFL.

Question always is can they handle the mental part of the transition and do they have the physical/athletic ability to make the transition.

Thomas does. Once again Leo isn't the optimal position for him but if we have to play him there for the time being if we cannot get a better fit at Leo then he'll do just fine.

Kid can be special and is a great person to have on the roster in terms of leadership and passion for the game. Bring him in and don't look back.

Totally agree..and who said we have to spend the 2nd overall pick on the LEO pass rusher? Like everyone keeps saying this draft full of pass rushers... I'm rolling with Solomon then Bowser in the 2nd (our SAM like vic beasley)...I remember reading an article about Eli Harold being the perfect LEO pass rusher for Seattle during the draft process. Get him to get back to his normal weight and let's go!

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky

People say Ingram is a perfect fit for LEO but go look at his combine numbers

He's got shorter arms then Thomas, ran a slower 40, lower broad jump, and had slightly better 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle...plus he's like 13+ lighter than Thomas.

Solomon is a straight baller who has a non-stop motor . Like you said he's a leader and loves football, draft him and be pumped you did!

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So why not have him as a 3-tech WHO CAN play the edge in certain packages. then go after someone like Bowser in the second? He would greatly improve the run D improve our pass rush which in turn would help the secondary.

IMO I don't see why he can't play the edge anyway...he's got the speed and flexibility just doesn't have the overall length. I see him getting compared to Everson Griffen a lot lately who plays off the edge.

To be a 3 tech he'd have to pick up weight and probably 20 lbs worth. Bryant Young didn't play 3 tech at 270. He's not going to be able to be a 3 tech/ Leo. Can he pickup weight and be a great 3 tech sure but I think people are getting carried away with him. He'll be a dynamic player somewhere I don't think it's at Leo though.

You just stated in a previous post "Thomas did most of his damage as a 3 tech " so now he can't?

Why can M Ingram, who you also stated could be a great LEO but Thomas can't? Ingram has shorter arms, ran a slower 40, shorter broad jump and had very similar 3-cone and 20 yard shuttles? Thomas did all this and weighed 13lbs more. Just because he hasn't done it all through college doesn't mean he can't....also end of the day if he's not a LEO pass rusher we already know he's a monster DE that can stop the run and pass rush from the interior, we sure as s**t don't know that about AA and we're going into yr 3.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You just stated in a previous post "Thomas did most of his damage as a 3 tech " so now he can't?

Why can M Ingram, who you also stated could be a great LEO be this amazing outside pass rush but Thomas can't? Ingram has shorter arms, ran a slower 40, shorter broad jump and had very similar 3-cone and 20 yard shuttles? Thomas did all this and weighed 13lbs more. Just because he hasn't done it all through college doesn't mean he can't....also end of the day if he's not a LEO pass rusher we already know he's a monster DE that can stop the run and pass rush from the interior , we sure as s**t don't know that about AA and we're going into yr 3.

I didn't say he can't play 3 tech I said he would have to pick up weight. College pros. Different level. He struggles with combo blocks as is he'd get eaten alive at 270 in the pros. That's not to say he can't pick up the weight and be great there.

I don't think you'd argue Ingram has #2 value even today. 5 years less than 25 sacks. 18 the last 2 so he'd be a decent fa pickup but hardly the breakout player you should be pointing too. He was also a complete chess piece in college. As in he was a coverage lb too.

3T, 5T all I know is this guy has a motor that doesn't stop and that's hard to find. Just put him in there and he's a monster. That's what I want on my team.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I didn't say he can't play 3 tech I said he would have to pick up weight. College pros. Different level. He struggles with combo blocks as is he'd get eaten alive at 270 in the pros. That's not to say he can't pick up the weight and be great there.

I don't think you'd argue Ingram has #2 value even today. 5 years less than 25 sacks. 18 the last 2 so he'd be a decent fa pickup but hardly the breakout player you should be pointing too. He was also a complete chess piece in college. As in he was a coverage lb too.

Your the one that brought up Ingram as a possible LEo prospect in FA not me. Why does he get that label but there's no way Solomon couldn't do it at all? Ingram has shorter arms, slower 40, shorter broad jump and they both had very similar 20 yard shuttles and 30 cone times...just because you haven't seen him do it at Stanford doesn't mean he can't(and he did play off the edge)...end of the day we all know we have at the very least a stud on the DL.

Originally posted by mayo49:

3T, 5T all I know is this guy has a motor that doesn't stop and that's hard to find. Just put him in there and he's a monster. That's what I want on my team.

Agreed you get talent and you roll with it! His positives outweigh the negatives by far

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your the one that brought up Ingram as a possible LEo prospect in FA not me. Why does he get that label but there's no way Solomon couldn't do it at all? Ingram has shorter arms, slower 40, shorter broad jump and they both had very similar 20 yard shuttles and 30 cone times...just because you haven't seen him do it at Stanford doesn't mean he can't(and he did play off the edge)...end of the day we all know we have at the very least a stud on the DL.

I don't think he's making your case. He shed 10 pounds to play olb which is what you guys just look past, that matters because it kills his versatility, and while he's a decent player he's no Pro Bowler. At 2 that's pretty much has to be a given. Not too mention he had alot more experience in college to make that transition. He played lb, DT, de.

ugh, everyone has us projected as picking this guy. another soft DL from a west coast school. Haven't we learned our lesson?

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
ugh, everyone has us projected as picking this guy. another soft DL from a west coast school. Haven't we learned our lesson?

I am reading up on him now. I don't know how I feel yet. I just find it hard to believe we take Dline again.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't think he's making your case. He shed 10 pounds to play olb which is what you guys just look past, that matters because it kills his versatility, and while he's a decent player he's no Pro Bowler. At 2 that's pretty much has to be a given. Not too mention he had alot more experience in college to make that transition. He played lb, DT, de.

So Solomon can't get to 260 lbs if need be? He seems pretty versatile and could also as a couple of lbs to be straight up interior ad well...none of the players being drafted at two outside of Myles are a given.

Ingram his past two seasons is avg 9 sacks a yr now that he's healthy that's not bad at all and he's gonna get paid because of it.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

ugh, everyone has us projected as picking this guy. another soft DL from a west coast school. Haven't we learned our lesson?

Got some film showing him playing soft? Chaz you ya bias east coast guy?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So Solomon can't get to 260 lbs if need be? He seems pretty versatile and could also as a couple of lbs to be straight up interior ad well...none of the players being drafted at two outside of Myles are a given.

Ingram his past two seasons is avg 9 sacks a yr now that he's healthy that's not bad at all and he's gonna get paid because of it.

The better ? is why? Why would you draft someone who you should ask to pickup 10- 15 and be a dominating interior precense but instead then ask him to drop 10 and be an average outside precense. Ingram had already proved he could do everything a 3-4 olb could he just doesn't have the typical prototype. With Thomas you're basing it off limited play and measureables. If we were to draft him I'd still want him where he plays best.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

3T, 5T all I know is this guy has a motor that doesn't stop and that's hard to find. Just put him in there and he's a monster. That's what I want on my team.

Agreed you get talent and you roll with it! His positives outweigh the negatives by far

He doesn't spend that much time in gaps anyway so what does it matter which one he is blowing up.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

The better ? is why? Why would you draft someone who you should ask to pickup 10- 15 and be a dominating interior precense but instead then ask him to drop 10 and be an average outside precense. Ingram had already proved he could do everything a 3-4 olb could he just doesn't have the typical prototype. With Thomas you're basing it off limited play and measureables. If we were to draft him I'd still want him where he plays best.

No i agree that I'd want him where he's most effective but you make it sound like he can't be a edge rusher at all and I disagee with that.