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Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by JBrack:
That wasn't my point. You are focused on the player. My point is do you have to have a Jerry Rice to run a wco?

No you can have a big badass like terrell owens too even though their styles of play are much different.

Gotcha...no, but you get a player with those traits who can fill that role. Yes, for us, it went from J.R. to T.O. Both were the primary ZWR that you center your game plans around mostly. Both had different skill sets but could play that ZWR role to a dime. Same concept with Julio Jones. Is there a Julio Jones in this draft? Of course not...but there are two players who could easily play that similar role in Mike Williams and Corey Davis. It's no different than how Kyle will evaluate the QB's...he's looking for traits that fit the WCO. Defense is the same concept. Sure, at first you'll tweak a few things here and there like Kyle did in Atlanta but his Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu played the same roles at Jerry Rice and John Taylor. If you have a special player like JR, you can build on it...like with Rathman at FB...and now, Kyle Juszczyk, he'll expand even more on it but the roles will be the same.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
after watching 2 minutes of highlights,


LMAO. Love this!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jersey49er:
I agree but I think something better would be ( obviously if a team agrees ) would be to trade the pick and hope for a nice haul of picks this yr and a 1st next while grabbing a nice prospect at either WR or DE, Williams or Davis or Barnett, would set this team up even better for the future..

We'd all love a trade down but who are teams moving up for? Also I don't see us getting fair comp.

I agree, I keep thinking the Jets considering they have a lot of needs as well but I doubt it, and that's the thing it sucks sitting at 2 where the drop off from Garrett is real..why cant the browns just be the browns and take Watson or Trubisky lol I'm going to hit up Kenny Britt and tell him to put pressure on Hue to take a QB to fire him tha fking pigskin..
this guy 21 , he still can get better too . i wouldn't be shocked if his career in the nfl ended better than garrett
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

Baalke started his first draft with Mike Iupati
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

Baalke started his first draft with Mike Iupati

Anthony Davis.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Anthony Davis.

If you weren't damaged in the knee then you had to be damaged in the head to be on Trents radar. Smh
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Anthony Davis.

If you weren't damaged in the knee then you had to be damaged in the head to be on Trents radar. Smh

With Earl Thomas going next...
Originally posted by NCommand:


Absolutely we'll be copying that defense...

You can run the same scheme with vastly different personnel. You don't have to follow the exact same player model, nor should you. Jacksonville runs the same scheme and they have invested heavily up front with Malik Jackson and Calais Campbell. There are a dozen different ways to approach it, the key is getting as many great players as possible.


You don't pass up on a potential franchise cornerstone because "that isnt the way Seattle does it."



Shanahan himself has said there is far too much focus on "scheme fit." You get yourself some damn good football players and you fit the scheme around their abilities, just as the 49ers did the last time that they won the SB having two dominant interior players.




How much more is Thomas going to give you over a healthy Armstead + Blair?

Thomas is a much better prospect than Armstead was and far far better than Blair. Neither guy is someone whp stops you from upgrading if you think you can get a much better overall player.

No comparison between Thomas and Armstead. Thomas is far more athletic, has a much better motor and was a lot more productive in college.


It's not copying their approach but rather, the very blue print of the defense itself. Kyle Shanahan wants to face a defense that makes you earn every yard. He's installing the defensive scheme here...therefore, they'll look for players who fit it just like his WCO.

Nothing about Thomas isnt a fit for this defense and he could be used much in the same way that Seattle uses Bennett. Its crazy to me to make the claim that any single defense in the NFL can't use a potentially dominant DL. You still win football games up front and Thomas is perfect for running the kind of stunts that Seattle and Atlanta love to do.


Its Armstead that is a very peculiar fit for this defense when you already have a guy in Buckner who does all the same stuff but at a higher level.




IMHO we already filled that need with Armstead/Blair last year..


Armstead hasn't filled anything thus far. He's looked like a low motor guy who gets washed out on the run. I don't think you can count on him for much. If they draft Thomas and Armstead steps up and plays well, great the NFL's worst defense against the run a year ago now has a nice rotation and you have a decent trade chip in Armstead.


If Armstead sucks and is another Baalke bust, well now having Thomas helps soften the blow just a tad bit.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 20, 2017 at 4:16 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Gotcha...no, but you get a player with those traits who can fill that role. Yes, for us, it went from J.R. to T.O. Both were the primary ZWR that you center your game plans around mostly. Both had different skill sets but could play that ZWR role to a dime. Same concept with Julio Jones. Is there a Julio Jones in this draft? Of course not...but there are two players who could easily play that similar role in Mike Williams and Corey Davis. It's no different than how Kyle will evaluate the QB's...he's looking for traits that fit the WCO. Defense is the same concept. Sure, at first you'll tweak a few things here and there like Kyle did in Atlanta but his Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu played the same roles at Jerry Rice and John Taylor. If you have a special player like JR, you can build on it...like with Rathman at FB...and now, Kyle Juszczyk, he'll expand even more on it but the roles will be the same.

Yeah but do you have to beat them with speed and precision or just brute strength like TO and Solomon. Why does it have to be a certain way? As someone said earlier. Do you really think they Seahawks wouldn't add him if they had a chance?
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

Baalke started his first draft with Mike Iupati

Anthony Davis.

I thought Iupati was drafted before Davis?

Edit: just looked he was not
[ Edited by Quest4six on Mar 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM ]
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

Baalke started his first draft with Mike Iupati

Anthony Davis.

I thought Iupati was drafted before Davis?

Traded up for Davis at 11, stayed put at 17 for Iupati.
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by jcs:
I think his character is going to come into play...sets precedent to draft someone to be a leader as opposed to the Baalke regime who started his first draft as GM with Aldon Smith.

Baalke started his first draft with Mike Iupati

Anthony Davis.
Baalke wasn't GM until 2011
Originally posted by jcs:
Baalke wasn't GM until 2011

Doesnt matter what his title was, he ran the draft in 2010 too, especially with McDrinky spending over a month of that offseason in rehab before he was "mutually parted."

Interestingly he chose another knucklehead in Davis with the 49ers first pick.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 20, 2017 at 4:19 PM ]
Originally posted by JBrack:
Yeah but do you have to beat them with speed and precision or just brute strength like TO and Solomon. Why does it have to be a certain way? As someone said earlier. Do you really think they Seahawks wouldn't add him if they had a chance?


Pete Carroll would walk on broken glass if it meant Seattle could draft a guy like Thomas. That would make their defense a nightmare to deal with, having another dominant, high motor guy up front.
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