There are 82 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

Alex Smith Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air: Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. #49ers

Even if this gets wide circulation, the myth that Alex has a noodle arm will live on. Many of us have been posting such deep ball statistical comparisons for years, and they're always ignored, dismissed, forgotten. Alex's deep ball also improved a lot over the course of the 2011 season. He had a great stretch from that Rams game when he threw a 50-yarder to Crabs (and another perfect deep ball that VD dropped in the end zone), to the deep sideline pass to Crabs in Seattle that set up the game-winning fg and then of course to his numerous bombs to VD in the playoffs. So people who claim Alex is just a game manager with no big play ability are only exposing their own ignorance. I'm excited for him to hopefully get a chance to play for an offensive-minded coach who is aggressive and will let him throw 30-35 times a game.


Except Kaep has done this in 5 starts which proves that we're pushing the ball downfield more with Kaep

No one ever said otherwise. The point is people continually claim Alex can't or won't make these throws at all, yet he's done so successfully repeatedly, especially in the playoffs.

No one said he can't or won't make deep throws. Alex can't or won't make the tight deep throws or the ones where the WR IS actually covered but the ball placement gets the completion. His accuracy is also slightly off on most of those throws. Now consider the fact that teams gear to stop gore vs Alex.
[ Edited by Joecool on Dec 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM ]
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^

Easy answer, posters want to discuss the guy.

If you guys have nothing to add minus complain about a thread, move on. Otherwise, let those who does want to discuss AS keep on.

- 98
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

I guess you haven't seen the Tolzien time traveling delorean thread.
Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^

Easy answer, posters want to discuss the guy.

If you guys have nothing to add minus complain about a thread, move on. Otherwise, let those who does want to discuss AS keep on.

- 98

Thank you. And if I remember correctly, we had thread about Kaepernick before he was named the starter. Nothing wrong with discussing backup players.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by kidash98:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^

Easy answer, posters want to discuss the guy.

If you guys have nothing to add minus complain about a thread, move on. Otherwise, let those who does want to discuss AS keep on.

- 98

Thank you. And if I remember correctly, we had thread about Kaepernick before he was named the starter. Nothing wrong with discussing backup players.

..and 28 pages speaks for itself.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air: Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. #49ers

Even if this gets wide circulation, the myth that Alex has a noodle arm will live on. Many of us have been posting such deep ball statistical comparisons for years, and they're always ignored, dismissed, forgotten. Alex's deep ball also improved a lot over the course of the 2011 season. He had a great stretch from that Rams game when he threw a 50-yarder to Crabs (and another perfect deep ball that VD dropped in the end zone), to the deep sideline pass to Crabs in Seattle that set up the game-winning fg and then of course to his numerous bombs to VD in the playoffs. So people who claim Alex is just a game manager with no big play ability are only exposing their own ignorance. I'm excited for him to hopefully get a chance to play for an offensive-minded coach who is aggressive and will let him throw 30-35 times a game.


Except Kaep has done this in 5 starts which proves that we're pushing the ball downfield more with Kaep

No one ever said otherwise. The point is people continually claim Alex can't or won't make these throws at all, yet he's done so successfully repeatedly, especially in the playoffs.

No one said he can't or won't make deep throws. Alex can't or won't make the tight deep throws or the ones where the WR IS actually covered but the ball placement gets the completion. His accuracy is also slightly off on most of those throws. Now consider the fact that teams gear to stop gore vs Alex.

wrong---look at the lions game this year....he placed a ball over the db and into davis hands on a long pass downfield and davis dropped it.....look at the pass to crabtree to set up the winning field goal in last years game vs seahawks in seattle, hitting crabtree who was doubled
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air: Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. #49ers

Even if this gets wide circulation, the myth that Alex has a noodle arm will live on. Many of us have been posting such deep ball statistical comparisons for years, and they're always ignored, dismissed, forgotten. Alex's deep ball also improved a lot over the course of the 2011 season. He had a great stretch from that Rams game when he threw a 50-yarder to Crabs (and another perfect deep ball that VD dropped in the end zone), to the deep sideline pass to Crabs in Seattle that set up the game-winning fg and then of course to his numerous bombs to VD in the playoffs. So people who claim Alex is just a game manager with no big play ability are only exposing their own ignorance. I'm excited for him to hopefully get a chance to play for an offensive-minded coach who is aggressive and will let him throw 30-35 times a game.


Except Kaep has done this in 5 starts which proves that we're pushing the ball downfield more with Kaep

No one ever said otherwise. The point is people continually claim Alex can't or won't make these throws at all, yet he's done so successfully repeatedly, especially in the playoffs.

No one said he can't or won't make deep throws. Alex can't or won't make the tight deep throws or the ones where the WR IS actually covered but the ball placement gets the completion. His accuracy is also slightly off on most of those throws. Now consider the fact that teams gear to stop gore vs Alex.

wrong---look at the lions game this year....he placed a ball over the db and into davis hands on a long pass downfield and davis dropped it.....look at the pass to crabtree to set up the winning field goal in last years game vs seahawks in seattle, hitting crabtree who was doubled

You can't take rare spots as being able to or wanting to do it. Too few and far in between. Harbaugh's or was it Roman's quote acknowledged this the best when they said they don't have to call plays for Colin.

This, to me, meant the plays had to get the WR's open for the most part for Alex. He doesn't have the accuracy and arm strength to make a lot of plays we need to make vs good coverage teams that want to stack the box.
I have always felt that Alex Smith is totally capable of making long throws, but he plays with such a conservative mindset that he doesn't attempt them as much as some people think he should. Long after Norv Turner was not on the team and didn't need to stroke Smith's ego, Turner was still telling interviewers that Smith could make all the throws an NFL QB had to make. I still remember how he would throw a beautiful deep ball now and then when he first started - there were a couple to Antonio Bryant that were things of beauty. But, years of being slammed by bad coaches, multiple shoulder injuries, second-guessing himself on mistakes for which he had to take total blame may have a way of making a player more careful. The only thing I have found lacking in Alex Smith's game is his conservative mindset, but some teams are going to relish that trait in a QB.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I have always felt that Alex Smith is totally capable of making long throws, but he plays with such a conservative mindset that he doesn't attempt them as much as some people think he should. Long after Norv Turner was not on the team and didn't need to stroke Smith's ego, Turner was still telling interviewers that Smith could make all the throws an NFL QB had to make. I still remember how he would throw a beautiful deep ball now and then when he first started - there were a couple to Antonio Bryant that were things of beauty. But, years of being slammed by bad coaches, multiple shoulder injuries, second-guessing himself on mistakes for which he had to take total blame may have a way of making a player more careful. The only thing I have found lacking in Alex Smith's game is his conservative mindset, but some teams are going to relish that trait in a QB.

Yeah, I think the Jets might favor some more conservative decision making at QB.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^


you guys should go on 50% warning status for those comments
Originally posted by 49amane:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Amir:
Why do we even have a thread about a backup QB? serious question. what is there to discuss?

super duper mega mighty morphin thunderzord THIS ^


you guys should go on 50% warning status for those comments

lol, already there doe
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air: Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. #49ers

Even if this gets wide circulation, the myth that Alex has a noodle arm will live on. Many of us have been posting such deep ball statistical comparisons for years, and they're always ignored, dismissed, forgotten. Alex's deep ball also improved a lot over the course of the 2011 season. He had a great stretch from that Rams game when he threw a 50-yarder to Crabs (and another perfect deep ball that VD dropped in the end zone), to the deep sideline pass to Crabs in Seattle that set up the game-winning fg and then of course to his numerous bombs to VD in the playoffs. So people who claim Alex is just a game manager with no big play ability are only exposing their own ignorance. I'm excited for him to hopefully get a chance to play for an offensive-minded coach who is aggressive and will let him throw 30-35 times a game.


Except Kaep has done this in 5 starts which proves that we're pushing the ball downfield more with Kaep

No one ever said otherwise. The point is people continually claim Alex can't or won't make these throws at all, yet he's done so successfully repeatedly, especially in the playoffs.

No one said he can't or won't make deep throws. Alex can't or won't make the tight deep throws or the ones where the WR IS actually covered but the ball placement gets the completion. His accuracy is also slightly off on most of those throws. Now consider the fact that teams gear to stop gore vs Alex.

wrong---look at the lions game this year....he placed a ball over the db and into davis hands on a long pass downfield and davis dropped it.....look at the pass to crabtree to set up the winning field goal in last years game vs seahawks in seattle, hitting crabtree who was doubled

You can't take rare spots as being able to or wanting to do it. Too few and far in between. Harbaugh's or was it Roman's quote acknowledged this the best when they said they don't have to call plays for Colin.

This, to me, meant the plays had to get the WR's open for the most part for Alex. He doesn't have the accuracy and arm strength to make a lot of plays we need to make vs good coverage teams that want to stack the box.

You are really stretching! You bring something up and say Alex cannot do it, then someone points out that he has and you say yeah but. Common man, if its there its there. We can all place these petty little restrictions and the like on any player to fit what we might want to believe but it doesn't take away from the facts.

Too many Niner fans and supposedly rational analysts still have it in their minds that Alex is limited. This is all based on the years previous to Jim getting here. If you cannot accept what Alex has done with good coaching and better players than thats on you and them. It doesn't make it true though.

And for gods sake man, Alex was ripping along at a 70 percentage completion rate so what the f__k are you talking about accuracy? Did the plays/wr's not only get open for Alex but also toss the ball to themselfs? This is just insane.
Originally posted by rk1642:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff Passes that are thrown 20+ yards in the air: Alex Smith 9-18, 293 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. Kaepernick 9-18, 302 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. #49ers

Even if this gets wide circulation, the myth that Alex has a noodle arm will live on. Many of us have been posting such deep ball statistical comparisons for years, and they're always ignored, dismissed, forgotten. Alex's deep ball also improved a lot over the course of the 2011 season. He had a great stretch from that Rams game when he threw a 50-yarder to Crabs (and another perfect deep ball that VD dropped in the end zone), to the deep sideline pass to Crabs in Seattle that set up the game-winning fg and then of course to his numerous bombs to VD in the playoffs. So people who claim Alex is just a game manager with no big play ability are only exposing their own ignorance. I'm excited for him to hopefully get a chance to play for an offensive-minded coach who is aggressive and will let him throw 30-35 times a game.


Except Kaep has done this in 5 starts which proves that we're pushing the ball downfield more with Kaep

No one ever said otherwise. The point is people continually claim Alex can't or won't make these throws at all, yet he's done so successfully repeatedly, especially in the playoffs.

No one said he can't or won't make deep throws. Alex can't or won't make the tight deep throws or the ones where the WR IS actually covered but the ball placement gets the completion. His accuracy is also slightly off on most of those throws. Now consider the fact that teams gear to stop gore vs Alex.

wrong---look at the lions game this year....he placed a ball over the db and into davis hands on a long pass downfield and davis dropped it.....look at the pass to crabtree to set up the winning field goal in last years game vs seahawks in seattle, hitting crabtree who was doubled

You can't take rare spots as being able to or wanting to do it. Too few and far in between. Harbaugh's or was it Roman's quote acknowledged this the best when they said they don't have to call plays for Colin.

This, to me, meant the plays had to get the WR's open for the most part for Alex. He doesn't have the accuracy and arm strength to make a lot of plays we need to make vs good coverage teams that want to stack the box.

You are really stretching! You bring something up and say Alex cannot do it, then someone points out that he has and you say yeah but. Common man, if its there its there. We can all place these petty little restrictions and the like on any player to fit what we might want to believe but it doesn't take away from the facts.

Too many Niner fans and supposedly rational analysts still have it in their minds that Alex is limited. This is all based on the years previous to Jim getting here. If you cannot accept what Alex has done with good coaching and better players than thats on you and them. It doesn't make it true though.

And for gods sake man, Alex was ripping along at a 70 percentage completion rate so what the f__k are you talking about accuracy? Did the plays/wr's not only get open for Alex but also toss the ball to themselfs? This is just insane.

Well when your taking a lot of sacks instead of throwing it away, then your compleation rate will go up. You also have to consider he doesnt take as many shots down field which really limits our offense.

To say Alex is limited is not the case, he just limits our offense which shouldn't be happening.
[ Edited by milkweed on Dec 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM ]
Originally posted by rk1642:
You are really stretching! You bring something up and say Alex cannot do it, then someone points out that he has and you say yeah but. Common man, if its there its there. We can all place these petty little restrictions and the like on any player to fit what we might want to believe but it doesn't take away from the facts.

Too many Niner fans and supposedly rational analysts still have it in their minds that Alex is limited. This is all based on the years previous to Jim getting here. If you cannot accept what Alex has done with good coaching and better players than thats on you and them. It doesn't make it true though.

And for gods sake man, Alex was ripping along at a 70 percentage completion rate so what the f__k are you talking about accuracy? Did the plays/wr's not only get open for Alex but also toss the ball to themselfs? This is just insane.

Sorry, man. Majority of the league sees it. A few people don't. Alex Smith and his 70% will not be coveted highly. If it is, it will be a contract that's easy to get out of.