Define: "Type of QB who puts an offense on his back"

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
400 yards, lots of picks and losses the game. Those are the best QB's. I've learned that on the WZ from the real know it alls.

Wow who said that?? Really hope your not referring to me, cause that's not what I meant or said at all (in the other thread).

IMO:

A QB who will keep his poise when the odds are stacked against him, in other words comes back from adversity.

Reads a defense well, identifies the weakness of the defense and exploits it.

Makes the tough throw under pressure, doesn't get rattled when the heat (pass rush, blitz) is turned up.

Alex Smith.....

HE PUT THE TEAM ON HIS BACK DOH!

Originally posted by susweel:
Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees

Yeah, there aren't that many of them in today's game or in the history of the game.

Originally posted by GameOver:
HE PUT THE TEAM ON HIS BACK DOH!

http://www.youtube.com/user/demetryjames86#p/u/12/1P0yfq2wDvU

Originally posted by gamechanger:
Read this thread and if the team isn't on Alex's back, tell me how it isn't?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/159089-calling-two-plays-huddle/

Posts like this bother me because it is so ill-conceived. Our defense ranks (in the NFL) 1st in forced fumbles & turnovers, 3rd in points allowed & interceptions, 5th in rushing yards allowed. And you have the audacity to say Alex Smith calling audibles is putting the team on his back for the win? We rank 10th in rushing yards, and 29th in passing yards, and you still can't stop praising only our quarterback. I'm not saying he sucks; I'm saying our other players deserve far more credit than Alex Smith. Hell, I think Aldon Smith deserves more credit than Alex Smith (dude is playing beastly for a rookie). Hopefully, you know who that is.

It's funny you said "We never went 0-4 with Alex Smith" in a post last week. No comment.

Originally posted by nflguy49:
I said he played a good game but lets not go overboard. Alex Smith is ranked 26th in passing yards and 25th for completions. If he threw only three passes and completed all three should we celebrate his earth shattering 100% completion ratio as though it's the same as a qb completing 20+ passes in a game? Nope, and we shouldn't go overboard when he only completes 11 passes either.

He played a good game while Frank Gore and Hunter dominated and led this team to victory.

you do realize the reason gore and hunter tore it up in the ground game is because the bucs had to respect Smith and his receivers.... it was basically pick your poison for them... if you watch the video they obviously chose to cover the air then the ground game... and from a coaches point of view shutting down the
passing game > running game,

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wow who said that?? Really hope your not referring to me, cause that's not what I meant or said at all (in the other thread).

IMO:

A QB who will keep his poise when the odds are stacked against him, in other words comes back from adversity.

Reads a defense well, identifies the weakness of the defense and exploits it.

Makes the tough throw under pressure, doesn't get rattled when the heat (pass rush, blitz) is turned up.

Shaj said something to that effect in the official beat the dead horse thread. But doesn't your description fit what Smith did in the Eagles game?

Originally posted by nflguy49:

Originally posted by taney71:

Lol. You left out the 3 TDs and his great play. Alex didn't just have a good game it was a really good game that would probably have been great but the 9ers didn't needt he passing and just ran the ball.

I said he played a good game but lets not go overboard. Alex Smith is ranked 26th in passing yards and 25th for completions. If he threw only three passes and completed all three should we celebrate his earth shattering 100% completion ratio as though it's the same as a qb completing 20+ passes in a game? Nope, and we shouldn't go overboard when he only completes 11 passes either.

He played a good game while Frank Gore and Hunter dominated and led this team to victory.

You just can't get over your bias against Smith can you? If you think yards and attempts are more important than not turning it over and scoring tds, you should change your handle.

See Vince Young in the Championship game versus USC

Originally posted by 8to80:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Read this thread and if the team isn't on Alex's back, tell me how it isn't?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/159089-calling-two-plays-huddle/

Posts like this bother me because it is so ill-conceived. Our defense ranks (in the NFL) 1st in forced fumbles & turnovers, 3rd in points allowed & interceptions, 5th in rushing yards allowed. And you have the audacity to say Alex Smith calling audibles is putting the team on his back for the win? We rank 10th in rushing yards, and 29th in passing yards, and you still can't stop praising only our quarterback. I'm not saying he sucks; I'm saying our other players deserve far more credit than Alex Smith. Hell, I think Aldon Smith deserves more credit than Alex Smith (dude is playing beastly for a rookie). Hopefully, you know who that is.

It's funny you said "We never went 0-4 with Alex Smith" in a post last week. No comment.

Show me the post where I said we never went 0-4. Aldon Smith deserves more credit? Um you lost me there. It's funny how you rarely respond to anything I've said. Alex has more to do with our 4-1 record than anyone on our team so far. We should be 5-0 cuz we had the lead vs the Cowboys, or do you not know that? We won the Philly game largely due to his play in the 2nd half. We killed the Bucs because he was able to throw early and often making big plays through the air, which set up the run for the rest of the game. The defense can make all the stops they want but if Alex doesn't carry his side of the team, it's pointless.

Peyton Manning. Look how sorry his team is

Originally posted by gamechanger:
Show me the post where I said we never went 0-4. Aldon Smith deserves more credit? Um you lost me there. It's funny how you rarely respond to anything I've said. Alex has more to do with our 4-1 record than anyone on our team so far. We should be 5-0 cuz we had the lead vs the Cowboys, or do you not know that? We won the Philly game largely due to his play in the 2nd half. We killed the Bucs because he was able to throw early and often making big plays through the air, which set up the run for the rest of the game. The defense can make all the stops they want but if Alex doesn't carry his side of the team, it's pointless.

He's getting you confused with Jiks, who made an error in another post. Seems bent on using this error to tar and feather any Smith defender?

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Greatest to ever play the game; can't argue with this!

Originally posted by bayniner21:
you do realize the reason gore and hunter tore it up in the ground game is because the bucs had to respect Smith and his receivers.... it was basically pick your poison for them... if you watch the video they obviously chose to cover the air then the ground game... and from a coaches point of view shutting down the
passing game > running game,

Smith only completed 11 passes in the game. The avg qb completes that many in one half. However, he looked much better then he has in the past and it gave me hope that he will continue to get better. I think it's ridiculous to say he played a bigger part in that win then Gore/Hunter. 11 passes completed for 170 yards won't cause many teams to fear your passing game. The Niners top 10 defense held the Bucs to 3 points. Gore and Hunter were chewing up yards all day. It was a team win and Alex played his role well.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
You just can't get over your bias against Smith can you? If you think yards and attempts are more important than not turning it over and scoring tds, you should change your handle.

Bias? Smith has been one of the worst qbs in the league for several years(fact). It was only a few weeks ago that Harbaugh didn't trust this offense with a 1st down at the Dallas 20 late in a close game.. So far Smith has maintained a high completion % (which helps his overall qb rating) by throwing almost exclusively short passes within 4 yards of the LOS no matter the situation (3rd and long etc). In one game this season his avg yards gained on passes was something like 2 yards. It was a joke. Defenses were crowding the LOS because they didn't fear our passing game. Why should they when our qb rarely throws for even 200 yards. But that's the offense you run when you don't trust the qb. It's why the Niners passing offense ranks so low in yards and completions.

The Bucs game gave me HOPE that Alex is getting better and that Harbaugh will trust him to look downfield more often. Even in that game though the Bucs dropped what should have been two interceptions (one of them likely would have been a pick 6). So I laugh when people start saying he has "arrived" or is finally the qb we thought he was when drafted #1 overall. He still has a long way to go. The past two games we have seen improved play from Alex but we have also seen equally (if not more impressive) play from the running game.

My hope is that Alex continues to get better because if that happens this team could do much better then simply win the awful NFC West.