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Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by bigmike55:Originally posted by susweel:
Alex is done, I think Sing has moved on.
It's because Troy Smith is a brotha. Sing likes his brothas.
Just not Nate Davis.
Originally posted by bigmike55:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by bigmike55:Originally posted by susweel:
Alex is done, I think Sing has moved on.
It's because Troy Smith is a brotha. Sing likes his brothas.
Just not Nate Davis.
Yeah, that's because Nate Davis is a light skinned brotha. Sing likes dark chocolate.
Originally posted by BleedRandG:Originally posted by BleedRandG:
Sing put Alex back in instead of Troy. I would be frigin POed if that happened! It is time to move on and see what Troy's got. We got a taste of what he can do today. Now lets see if he can be consistent. I have confidence that he will continue to improve his game and get us some more W's. From what I've heard he prepared like a mad man this week and even kept the Offense after practice to keep on working. The guy did not even go sight seeing for crying out loud when the rest of team did! So far so good for Troy, and I hope he continues to get better for the team's sake. Discuss.........
P.S. Troy better be starting cuz I am going to the rams game in 2 weeks!
Originally posted by Joecool:
I think Sing's leadership comments mentioned by the commentating crew tells me he doesn't think too hard in whether he feels compelled to put Alex back in the game.
I think Alex should start but be benched if he plays like his normal self and has 3 quarters worth of droughts.
Originally posted by BrianGO:Originally posted by Joecool:
I think Sing's leadership comments mentioned by the commentating crew tells me he doesn't think too hard in whether he feels compelled to put Alex back in the game.
I think Alex should start but be benched if he plays like his normal self and has 3 quarters worth of droughts.
The thing is, Alex rarely gives a coach a good reason to bench him. Here is why...
If a defender is running at Alex Smith unblocked, Smith will most likely sprint in the opposite direction away from the defender and then throw the ball out of bounds. Was it Alex Smith's "fault"? Not really. Because there was a defender coming unblocked, so how can you blame the quarterback? Naturally, the line is blamed for the play.
The difference is that someone like Troy Smith would not turn around and run, but rather run at and around the incoming defender, who would now have to spend 2-3 seconds turning around, and regaining his momentum. By that time Troy Smith would have the ball out or he would have scrambled for some yards.
Another example...
Alex Smith is pressured, so he throws a hard and high (but catchable) pass at the check down receiver, the ball bounces off the receivers shoulder pads and into the arms of the defender. Was this Alex Smith's "fault"? Again, one can argue that it is the receivers fault because a receiver is "supposed" to make the play. The receiver is "supposed" to make the play, but boy wouldn't it be nice if the quarterback made a better play?
IMO, football is not a game of "mistake avoidance," it is a game of play making. So if you never make a play, but also never mess up a play, you are worse than another player who makes plays but messes up just as many.
1) You MUST make mistakes if you want to make plays.
2) You MUST make plays if you want to win in the NFL.
Therefore, mistake avoidance is a formula for losing in the NFL.
Even if Alex Smith had zero interceptions this season, it is still dangerous to think that a mistake free quarterback is the key to victory in the NFL.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:Originally posted by BrianGO:Originally posted by Peanut49:Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
No question in my mind that Troy did enough today to deserve a 2nd look. Besides; if sh*t starts to go sideways and Troy isn't getting it done, Alex is the best option we have coming in off the bench if we need to go to the hurry up in the 2nd half. Nobody else has had enough reps and/or knowledge of the playbook to dig us out of a hole. Troy's job to lose and Alex has to truly prove that he wants it back.
Did you really just say it's Troy's job to lose? Why is everyone so delusional today? We are still an underachieving team with some below average QB play. However, Alex is the best option we have at QB. To say otherwise is just mad.
Also, I'm not even completely sold on Troy as the number 2. Carr came out last week with the handcuffs on and looked terrible. As did Troy today, he looked better in the 2nd half.(stats a little skewed with that bomb to Walker) Carr was at the very least an average QB who never got a fair shake and he won't get it here either.
So if a defender is running straight at Alex Smith or David Carr unblocked, what will happen?
Perhaps a sack? Or perhaps Smith will run straight backwards, then to the sideline and then throw the ball out of bounds?
Troy Smith was able to duck and dodge UNBLOCKED defenders coming at him, and then complete the pass. This is also known as "making a play."
I'm curious if you go through each play, in which circumstance could you tell yourself, "you know what, Alex Smith would have made something out of that play where Troy Smith did not." No. It is the opposite. Alex Smith or David Carr would have been sacked several times during that game.
Does Troy Smith have a weaker arm? Poor vision? What? What is the part of play where you think, "wow" Alex Smith is really an improvement over Troy Smith?
Troy Smith was barely given any opportunity to throw the ball with only 3 days of practice, but he was able to make plays, instead of throwing the ball out of bounds. In contrast, after 6 years, and countless practice hours, I can't see what Alex CAN do that Troy CAN'T do. Troy Smith did everything Alex Smith or David Carr would have done in that game PLUS some extra.
If Alex Smith gets the start next game, and we lose, this fan base will go apoplectic. Yes, Troy Smith WILL start next game, and as long as he keeps winning, its not going to change.
This post is so on point, don't even bother posting unless you agree.....
Originally posted by BobS:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's hard to read too much into beating a terrible Denver team. But Troy Smith played pretty well. He's certainly way better than David Carr. Whether he is better than Alex for the rest of the season I don't know. He didn't play badly though.
The 49ers always do this. Lose tons of games. Then go on a meaningless winning streak to give false hope and just miss the playoffs. We are going to do it again...
The early season schedule was clearly harder BTW. And now all the softballs are lined up. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. Having said that Troy played well and he may get the opportunity to continue.
I have this same fear about Troy Smith, he played way better than I expected. I am hoping it wasn't because the defense did not prepare well enough because of lack of film. Right now it seems he has the promise to at least be an average or better NFL quarterback. A guy who could at least lead the team to 10 wins a year until we find the next Jeff Garcia. I didn't say Young or Montana, as we have had 3 HOF Qbs, I don't think the gods that rule this sport will give us anymore. Yes 3, I think a lot of zoners forget about Y.A. Tittle, I was not a fan in his day, but I know my 49er history.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by BobS:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's hard to read too much into beating a terrible Denver team. But Troy Smith played pretty well. He's certainly way better than David Carr. Whether he is better than Alex for the rest of the season I don't know. He didn't play badly though.
The 49ers always do this. Lose tons of games. Then go on a meaningless winning streak to give false hope and just miss the playoffs. We are going to do it again...
The early season schedule was clearly harder BTW. And now all the softballs are lined up. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. Having said that Troy played well and he may get the opportunity to continue.
I have this same fear about Troy Smith, he played way better than I expected. I am hoping it wasn't because the defense did not prepare well enough because of lack of film. Right now it seems he has the promise to at least be an average or better NFL quarterback. A guy who could at least lead the team to 10 wins a year until we find the next Jeff Garcia. I didn't say Young or Montana, as we have had 3 HOF Qbs, I don't think the gods that rule this sport will give us anymore. Yes 3, I think a lot of zoners forget about Y.A. Tittle, I was not a fan in his day, but I know my 49er history.
That's exactly what they are going to do. I guarantee it.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by BobS:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's hard to read too much into beating a terrible Denver team. But Troy Smith played pretty well. He's certainly way better than David Carr. Whether he is better than Alex for the rest of the season I don't know. He didn't play badly though.
The 49ers always do this. Lose tons of games. Then go on a meaningless winning streak to give false hope and just miss the playoffs. We are going to do it again...
The early season schedule was clearly harder BTW. And now all the softballs are lined up. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. Having said that Troy played well and he may get the opportunity to continue.
I have this same fear about Troy Smith, he played way better than I expected. I am hoping it wasn't because the defense did not prepare well enough because of lack of film. Right now it seems he has the promise to at least be an average or better NFL quarterback. A guy who could at least lead the team to 10 wins a year until we find the next Jeff Garcia. I didn't say Young or Montana, as we have had 3 HOF Qbs, I don't think the gods that rule this sport will give us anymore. Yes 3, I think a lot of zoners forget about Y.A. Tittle, I was not a fan in his day, but I know my 49er history.
That's exactly what they are going to do. I guarantee it.
Yeah and then it'd be really bad if Sing keeps his job. As long as we miss the playoffs he needs to f**king go, but if it looks like he's found some hope in a QB and then he might convince the Dorks to give him another shot. I like Troy Smith but I think ultimately for the best of the team, Sing needs to go.
Honesly it would be better to tank. That way we start over from Dingleberry and we get a new QB too. Even Troy I don't think is the answer.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by BobS:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's hard to read too much into beating a terrible Denver team. But Troy Smith played pretty well. He's certainly way better than David Carr. Whether he is better than Alex for the rest of the season I don't know. He didn't play badly though.
The 49ers always do this. Lose tons of games. Then go on a meaningless winning streak to give false hope and just miss the playoffs. We are going to do it again...
The early season schedule was clearly harder BTW. And now all the softballs are lined up. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. Having said that Troy played well and he may get the opportunity to continue.
I have this same fear about Troy Smith, he played way better than I expected. I am hoping it wasn't because the defense did not prepare well enough because of lack of film. Right now it seems he has the promise to at least be an average or better NFL quarterback. A guy who could at least lead the team to 10 wins a year until we find the next Jeff Garcia. I didn't say Young or Montana, as we have had 3 HOF Qbs, I don't think the gods that rule this sport will give us anymore. Yes 3, I think a lot of zoners forget about Y.A. Tittle, I was not a fan in his day, but I know my 49er history.
That's exactly what they are going to do. I guarantee it.
Yeah and then it'd be really bad if Sing keeps his job. As long as we miss the playoffs he needs to f**king go, but if it looks like he's found some hope in a QB and then he might convince the Dorks to give him another shot. I like Troy Smith but I think ultimately for the best of the team, Sing needs to go.
~ Dingleberry will keep job.
~ We will miss playoffs.
~ Provide false hope for the future.
~ Mess up draft position.
The perfect storm...
Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by BobS:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's hard to read too much into beating a terrible Denver team. But Troy Smith played pretty well. He's certainly way better than David Carr. Whether he is better than Alex for the rest of the season I don't know. He didn't play badly though.
The 49ers always do this. Lose tons of games. Then go on a meaningless winning streak to give false hope and just miss the playoffs. We are going to do it again...
The early season schedule was clearly harder BTW. And now all the softballs are lined up. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. Having said that Troy played well and he may get the opportunity to continue.
I have this same fear about Troy Smith, he played way better than I expected. I am hoping it wasn't because the defense did not prepare well enough because of lack of film. Right now it seems he has the promise to at least be an average or better NFL quarterback. A guy who could at least lead the team to 10 wins a year until we find the next Jeff Garcia. I didn't say Young or Montana, as we have had 3 HOF Qbs, I don't think the gods that rule this sport will give us anymore. Yes 3, I think a lot of zoners forget about Y.A. Tittle, I was not a fan in his day, but I know my 49er history.
That's exactly what they are going to do. I guarantee it.
Yeah and then it'd be really bad if Sing keeps his job. As long as we miss the playoffs he needs to f**king go, but if it looks like he's found some hope in a QB and then he might convince the Dorks to give him another shot. I like Troy Smith but I think ultimately for the best of the team, Sing needs to go.
~ Dingleberry will keep job.
~ We will miss playoffs.
~ Provide false hope for the future.
~ Mess up draft position.
The perfect storm...
It would be best if the Dorks had the balls to fire Sing before the bye tomorrow but it won't happen. I just don't want him to keep his job unless he gets us to the playoffs, and that was supposedly the original condition or whatever that he basically needed to make the playoffs. But you know the attention span of the Dorks, it'll be just like 07 where he wins 2 or 3 games at the end like Nolan did with a scrappy new QB nobody heard of and then keeps his job with a little less power, then we suck the next season and he gets fired midway through. It's a never ending cycle. This coaching carousel thing is a f**king football nightmare.
I like Troy, I think he might be able to be like a Garcia type of QB. He played a really bad defense minus Dumervil and Ayers, their 2 starting pass rushing OLBs, but he still played well with some of Sing's shackles on him. Atleast he did pretty well in the 2nd half anyway. But I'm scared he's going to save Sing's job.
