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Schefter says Manning and Brady will be the 2 greatest QB's of all time

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Rivers77:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Rivers77:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Rivers77:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Manning is the best all around QB IMO.

Check out his playoff resume.

Good day.

Do you honestly think he was on the better team than Brady all those years? The Pats were a powerhouse including a phenomonal defense holding down the other team. Peyton's defenses backing him were not 1/2 as good at slowing down the opposing team.

I might possibly agree with this argument if Manning elevated his play and helped elevate the play of his team. They might still come out on the wrong end of the of the scoreboard, but his play would have never been in question. His dip in QB rating in the playoffs and record speak for themselves.

You don't think Brady had the better teams most years?

If you are driving a Ferrari or a Yugo is that like the same thing?


No. What I'm saying is his play in the playoffs has been average at best. Once the big time hits he goes from being a Ferrari to a Yugo and I promise you they aren't the same thing. Big time players step up when the pressure is on and they aren't just steam rolling through the regular season. Big time players make things happen when it counts. Peyton Manning, for the most part, doesn't do this.

The Colts have had a consistant winner with some great teams. I've heard announcers rave about his offensive line, tight end, and receivers. Yet the compliments tend to disappear in the playoffs when teams are rolling over them. I watched the Green Bay Packers beat us three years in the playoffs. Whatever excuses there are doesn't matter. They stepped up when it counted. Is it talent? Is it coaching? Whether for good or bad the quarterback is judged on how well the team does. It comes with the territory when you're the leader of the team. It is what is. We provide far too much blame to presidents as well, but it comes with the job. You wanted the job; just be prepared for the pain along with the glory.

On a side note, the victory last night was impressive. At the end of the day it still is the regular season and I'd love for him to hand it to the Patriots in the playoffs. Beyond that, if he proves me wrong and puts another 2 championships under his belt with great quarterback play then I'll eat crow.

I rooted for Steve Young after the organization decided to go with him. I preferred Montana, but the team went another direction and, so, I put my support to the starting quarterback... with one exception.

PS: Before the cheating I would have said that Brady was the closest thing to Montana that I'd ever seen.

"When the big time hits he goes from a Ferrari to a Yugo..."

He won the Super Bowl...


The debate is whether he is the greatest of all time. I have to see an argument that convinces me he is. If winning the super bowl is the requirement then you could make a case for Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon.

Pull up Manning's statistics for the year they won the super bowl and see what they tell you.

He's not yet but he's still playing right? So his career is not over yet. So how can you FULLY JUDGE HIM right now?



I can't, but that's also saying that all those that crowned him on this thread can't do that either.

I don't mind the spirited debate and maybe I'll game some insight that I didn't have before.
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No one will ever convince me anyone is better than Montana due to his performance in big games. The one thing that seperates these 2 though is the ability to stay healthy for the most part. If Montana had Mannings durability, SF would have probably won 6-7 SBs.
Originally posted by TX9R:
No one will ever convince me anyone is better than Montana due to his performance in big games. The one thing that seperates these 2 though is the ability to stay healthy for the most part. If the NFL protected Montana like they do Manning, SF would have probably won 6-7 SBs.

Fixed.

Agree 100% though.
This argument will never be decided but I wish we had either of them on our team.
Originally posted by miked1978:
This argument will never be decided but I wish we had either of them on our team.

Amen to that.
Purely my opinion...

1. Montana/Manning/Brady
4. Elway
5. Young/Marino
...
963. Cody Pickett
964. Brett Favre
965. Ryan Leaf


OK, maybe a little bias in there. I'm not a fan of Fav-ruh.
Originally posted by ghostrider:
Purely my opinion...

1. Montana/Manning/Brady
4. Elway
5. Young/Marino
...
963. Cody Pickett
964. Brett Favre
965. Ryan Leaf


OK, maybe a little bias in there. I'm not a fan of Fav-ruh.

1,477,363. JaMarcus Russell
Well, based on his quote, I think that Schefter is full of sh*t.

First, Brady rounds out the top 5 when he's done...maybe.

Second, Manning will likely be in the top 3 when he's done.

Third, neither will be better than Montana because they just won't. Joe was from another planet. He changed the way that the league looked at quarterbacks. Brady hasn't done that, and Manning is just emulating the Great One.

Finally, Schefter's order of Montana, Staubach, Elway and Marino is f*cked up.

It should go Montana, Unitas, Graham, Elway, Marino and Staubach.
Brady is a great QB with a fantastic resume. He deserves to be mentioned in this conversation.

Manning is the best "field general" type QB of his era, but he's going to need more than one SB win to convince me he's the GOAT. There have been several great QB's (like Elway) that were hyped in their day for breaking all kinds of records, but are no longer mentioned in the GOAT conversations. Currently, Manning looks more Elway than Montana imo. Or maybe he's more like Marino with a ring...

But both Brady & Manning play in a league geared toward the passing game. Everything from roughing the passer rules to pass interference rules have been altered in favor of the offense over the past 10-15 years, so its impossible to make an accurate comparison against guys like Montana.

Personally, I respect Brady & Peyton, but I don't think they'll overtake Montana. I guess we'll have to see what else they accomplish before hanging it up, though.
plus Schefter makes a living talking about relevant players....he is the type of "expert" who will try to make you believe the best player ever is always playing right now.

When Manning and Brady is gone and Big Ben is still around he will be pimping that boat
When their careers are over the top 10 rankings will be:

1. Joe Montana
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Bart Starr
4. Steve Young
5. Brett Favre
6. John Elway
7. Peyton Manning
8. Dan Marino
9. Jim Kelly
10. Tom Brady (because of spygate)
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Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/215066/schefter-manginis-lost-his-team

Quote:
Said Schefter: "I think that before all is said and done, they will go down as the two greatest quarterbacks who ever played the game. Better than [Joe] Montana, better than Roger Staubach, better than John Elway, better than Dan Marino, better than anybody else you can consider."

Oh really?
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Originally posted by Overkill:
Brady is a great QB with a fantastic resume. He deserves to be mentioned in this conversation.

Manning is the best "field general" type QB of his era, but he's going to need more than one SB win to convince me he's the GOAT. There have been several great QB's (like Elway) that were hyped in their day for breaking all kinds of records, but are no longer mentioned in the GOAT conversations. Currently, Manning looks more Elway than Montana imo. Or maybe he's more like Marino with a ring...

But both Brady & Manning play in a league geared toward the passing game. Everything from roughing the passer rules to pass interference rules have been altered in favor of the offense over the past 10-15 years, so its impossible to make an accurate comparison against guys like Montana.

Personally, I respect Brady & Peyton, but I don't think they'll overtake Montana. I guess we'll have to see what else they accomplish before hanging it up, though.

The real question is who do they think the best QB of all time is. Whilst Manning might have some conflicts of interest with Unitas and his old man. Brady for one is sure as s**t going to say Joe.
[ Edited by Envy on Nov 16, 2009 at 12:01 PM ]
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I find it amusing that a guy who is too young to have seen some of the best ones play in their prime will suddenly claim that the two guys who are currently at the top of their game are now the best ever. That kind of thinking has been called "chronological snobbery."