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49ers power player in 2013 draft

10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Here is something I wrote up just now.

Heading into the draft these were locks IMO.

QB Alex Smith (2014)
QB Colin Kaepernick (2014)
RB Frank Gore (2014)
RB Kendall Hunter (2014)
FB Bruce Miller (2014)
RB/FB Rock Cartwright (2012)
WR Michael Crabtree (2014)
WR Ted Ginn Jr. (2012)
WR Mario Manningham (2013)
TE Vernon Davis (2015)
TE Delanie Walker (2012)
C Jonathan Goodwin (2013)
OG Mike Iupati (2014)
OG Daniel Kilgore (2014)
OG Mike Person (2014)
OT Joe Staley (2017)
OT Anthony Davis (2014)
OT Alex Boone (2015)
DE Justin Smith (2013)
DE Ray McDonald (2015)
NT Isaac Sopoaga (2012)
NT Ricky Jean Francois (2012)
OLB Aldon Smith (2014)
OLB Ahmad Brooks (2017)
ILB Patrick Willis (2016)
ILB NaVorro Bowman (2013)
ILB Larry Grant (2012)
ILB Tavares Gooden (2012)
CB Carlos Rogers (2015)
CB Tarell Brown (2013)
CB Chris Culliver (2014)
S Dashon Goldson (FRAN)
S Donte Whitner (2013)
S C.J. Spillman (2014)
S Colin Jones (2014)
PK David Akers (2013)
P Andy Lee (2012)
LS Brian Jennings (2014)

That was 38 spots, then these guys who felt wouldn't need a upgrade but just competition.

RB Brandon Jacobs (2012)
WR Randy Moss (2012)
TE Nate Byham (2013)
DE Demarcus Dobbs (2013)
DE Will Tukuafu (2013)
NT Ian Williams (2013)
OLB Parys Haralson (2013)
CB Perrish Cox (2013)
CB Tramaine Brock (2012)

Those were an additional 9 spots filled, bringing us to a total of 47 spots filled, leaving 6 spot opended.

Then fast forward to draft day, like said we wouldn't draft Fleener, didn't have a need their. Only big need was maybe a RG, but it was clear the team feels highly in Kilgore to only add a 4th rd pick to compete with him.

Now looking at the roster, add in the following as on the roster IMO.

WR A.J. Jenkins (Will be signed through 2015)
RB LaMichael James (2015)
OG Joe Looney (2015)
OLB Darius Fleming (2015)
FS Trenton Robinson (2015)

That there is 5 of the 6 spots available. The last to me is down to whether we do keep a 9th OL in Slowey, who could be a PS possibility, or we have Cam Johnson on the roster.

Haralson makes the team as long as the team is able to reduce his salary, if not he will need to prove he is worth keeping.

Competition at the following positions will happen IMO for roster spots.

4th and 5th CB spot-

Brock, Cox, Holcomb, Nelms(Might be at S maybe), Bademosi(If he is signed) and Mosley(Kentucky UDFA)

DL-

Dobbs, I.Williams, Masifilio, Jerod-Eddie, Butrym -Note I feel Tukuafu is most likely locked in after playing so good before injured in 2011.

9th OL spot if a 9th is kept-

Slowey, Netter(UDFA), Hall(Stanford OT from 2011), Gonzales(UDFA from Wash State) - If only 8 then I guess Person would competing for a spot, even though we should keep 9 for safety purposes and Person brings value verstale wise.

RB-

Jacobs and Dixon, darkhorse would be Jewell Hampton.

What I'm trying to get at is we had only maybe 6 open spots heading to draft day, if we didn't feel we needed upgrades at positions mentioned before.

Now what was good about this draft was those extra 3 picks in 2013, we have several key FAs to be,

RB Rock Cartwright - Most likely to be kept, as he a ST ace and brings vet presence.

WR Randy Moss - Likely done, if brought back would be small 1 yr deal like this year

WR Ted Ginn Jr. - Unsure of new kickoff rule changes if any, thus might make him expendable past 2012, plus hopefully we can develop someone as a Returner

TE Delanie Walker - Maybe sees offers, but I feel he returns, should be an easy re-sign

NT Isaac Sopoaga - Will be interesting on how much they value Isaac, which will determine if we will look into 2013 draft for a replacement

NT Rick Jean Francois - Even though an easy sign, team may feel they need and could get a cheaper upgrade, I would keep, wouldn't cost much more than 1M a yr

ILB Larry Grant - Could return, but may get offers elsewhere.

ILB Tavares Gooden - Easy 1yr re-sign for vet minimum

CB Tramaine Brock - RFA to be, likely not tendered, we would draft a better CB in 2013 who can down the road be a starter or 3rd CB when Rogers is done

FS Dashon Goldson - Needs extension, hoping now/soon

P Andy Lee - A must sign, need him, gives great field position on nearly every punt

2013 seems like these are priorities to get.

NT if Sopoaga isnt retained

Backup at NT/DE if RJF isnt back

CB to replace Brock

maybe a WR if Moss doesn't work out

extra ILB for depth

and pretty much it. We have good players to work with for the future, so I feel solid for 2013 and beyond. Keep developing our young players, and supplement thru FA, and add more thru Draft.
Wow. Great analysis.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Very nice!

Btw, I see us only getting 1 comp pick (maybe for Snyder) as the Morgan signing might be off-set by Manningham/Josh Johnson (not sure if/how Moss will factor in either).

2013
Round 1 -
Round 2 -
Round 3 -
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 -
Round 5 -
Round 5 - (comp???)
Round 6 -
Round 6 -
Round 7 -
Round 7 -

Wow, that's a boatload of picks!
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Extend Bowman NAO

THIS

That like right NAO
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Very nice!

Btw, I see us only getting 1 comp pick (maybe for Snyder) as the Morgan signing might be off-set by Manningham/Josh Johnson (not sure if/how Moss will factor in either).

2013
Round 1 -
Round 2 -
Round 3 -
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 -
Round 5 -
Round 5 - (comp???)
Round 6 -
Round 6 -
Round 7 -
Round 7 -

We don't need 13 picks or whatever they are projecting. I think the media has been quoting "13." I see us moving up and down and all around next year. Next years draft will be fun to watch. I would say they should deal some picks and get the PLAYER THEY WANT. They don't need 12 - 13 guys next year. I would say 6 - 7 quality players at positions of need. With the 5th's and 6th's I could see them dealing some of those to move back into the 4th round. There are good players available in the 4th round. I would deal up to get multiple players there. Maybe take a 1 and 3 and move up for the player you want in the first round from position #32 originally...
I have a feeling that we wont be able to resign soap bc he will get better offers from other teams with a bad run d. So i think we should extend bowman before he costs us 8 mil a year.

Like this year, next year we may not need many picks bc our team will be set for starters. So we may trade up a few times to get better picks and rid ourselves of some fifth sixth and seventh round choices and we can always trade away some of next years picks for 2014. There is no way even 8 or 9 of the 13 picks next year will make our team, maybe some on the practice squad.
Originally posted by elguapo:
I have a feeling that we wont be able to resign soap bc he will get better offers from other teams with a bad run d. So i think we should extend bowman before he costs us 8 mil a year.

Like this year, next year we may not need many picks bc our team will be set for starters. So we may trade up a few times to get better picks and rid ourselves of some fifth sixth and seventh round choices and we can always trade away some of next years picks for 2014. There is no way even 8 or 9 of the 13 picks next year will make our team, maybe some on the practice squad.

We absolutely have to go Defensive Line next year. We ignored it for years now. And Soap may be gone and Justin Smith is getting older. And McDonald although a tremendous player and vastly underrated has had multiple knee problems. We really need some high pick D Linemen. It's time now (2013 draft).
Originally posted by elguapo:
I have a feeling that we wont be able to resign soap bc he will get better offers from other teams with a bad run d. So i think we should extend bowman before he costs us 8 mil a year.

Like this year, next year we may not need many picks bc our team will be set for starters. So we may trade up a few times to get better picks and rid ourselves of some fifth sixth and seventh round choices and we can always trade away some of next years picks for 2014. There is no way even 8 or 9 of the 13 picks next year will make our team, maybe some on the practice squad.

Depends on how much the cap increases. His (Soap) contract wasn't for that much to begin with,
2/26/2008: Signed a five-year, $20 million contract. The deal includes $4.775 million guaranteed.

Considering he has always been a 9er I'm sure he wants to retire one. He will be 31 in the early part of the season so he wont play past his new contract. We can give him a 4 year deal with an option for a 5th and keep the numbers reasonable. For all of these older vets their best chance for a ring is to stay put. If anybody walks in will be RJF, he will want to start elsewhere, his market value will be interesting to see.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Only guys who will count in this are.

Costanzo, Morgan and Snyder for us as losses.

Johnson, Manningham are the only 2 against us. Guys like Moss(Out of football in 2011), Cox(same as Moss), Jacobs(Cut), Cartwright(Vet min deal) don't count against us.

Also Reggie Smith and Chilo Rachal(Though haven't seen contract terms) probably don't count to help us due to one year minimum deals.

So I say a 5th is reasonable, with Johnson crossing out Costanzo and Manningham crossing out Morgan, and leaving Snyder to net us a pick.

Great breakdown AB....much appreciated...
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by elguapo:
I have a feeling that we wont be able to resign soap bc he will get better offers from other teams with a bad run d. So i think we should extend bowman before he costs us 8 mil a year.

Like this year, next year we may not need many picks bc our team will be set for starters. So we may trade up a few times to get better picks and rid ourselves of some fifth sixth and seventh round choices and we can always trade away some of next years picks for 2014. There is no way even 8 or 9 of the 13 picks next year will make our team, maybe some on the practice squad.

We absolutely have to go Defensive Line next year. We ignored it for years now. And Soap may be gone and Justin Smith is getting older. And McDonald although a tremendous player and vastly underrated has had multiple knee problems. We really need some high pick D Linemen. It's time now (2013 draft).

Completely agree.....and I'm frankly a bit surprised the Niners didn't spend a higher pick on a 3-4 DE or an NT in this draft. They must really like guys like Tukuafu, Dobbs, and Ian Williams a lot because they had chances to get guys like Ta'amu and passed. Interesting.

I think the Niners will draft 2 and perhaps even 3 DLmen next year with all of the selections they have now.

BTW. I think RJF is a very valuable guy on this team. He provides solid depth at every position on the DL...
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa

I know this is waaaaaaaay early but how is the RB class supposed to look in 2014? I cant see us looking for a replacement for Gore next year and drafting a RB 3 years in a row but I expect a serious look in 2014.
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by elguapo:
I have a feeling that we wont be able to resign soap bc he will get better offers from other teams with a bad run d. So i think we should extend bowman before he costs us 8 mil a year.

Like this year, next year we may not need many picks bc our team will be set for starters. So we may trade up a few times to get better picks and rid ourselves of some fifth sixth and seventh round choices and we can always trade away some of next years picks for 2014. There is no way even 8 or 9 of the 13 picks next year will make our team, maybe some on the practice squad.

We absolutely have to go Defensive Line next year. We ignored it for years now. And Soap may be gone and Justin Smith is getting older. And McDonald although a tremendous player and vastly underrated has had multiple knee problems. We really need some high pick D Linemen. It's time now (2013 draft).

Completely agree.....and I'm frankly a bit surprised the Niners didn't spend a higher pick on a 3-4 DE or an NT in this draft. They must really like guys like Tukuafu, Dobbs, and Ian Williams a lot because they had chances to get guys like Ta'amu and passed. Interesting.

I think the Niners will draft 2 and perhaps even 3 DLmen next year with all of the selections they have now.

BTW. I think RJF is a very valuable guy on this team. He provides solid depth at every position on the DL...

I think D Line is really a place to look. We have been building the O Line but ignoring the D Line while it gets older every year.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
10 Players I'd be watching as far as a 49ers potential wish-list.

1. NT Jesse Williams, Alabama
2. FS TJ McDonald, USC
3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. DE Margus Hunt, SMU
5. DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
6. S Ray Ray Armstong, Miami
7. WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
8. CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State
9. FS Robert Lester, Alabama
10. CB Micah Hyde, Iowa

I know this is waaaaaaaay early but how is the RB class supposed to look in 2014? I cant see us looking for a replacement for Gore next year and drafting a RB 3 years in a row but I expect a serious look in 2014.

Since I'm a big fan of new toys on offense, would you mind providing a brief scouting report on Hamilton? I see he's listed at 6'3" 210. NFL comparison?
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I recall that there will also be a quite a few RB next year.

I agree. I'm pretty sure they will need an every-down replacement for Gore after this year and I can them going after a RB.
I think the team sees either Hunter, James or both as every down backs. They talk all the time about how both can run up the middle and will, IMO they will not go RB high next year. Unless of course Hunter or James suck, but I think that's the plan as of now
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