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Would you trade #1 pick and Willis and Davis for rights to Luck

Would you trade #1 pick and Willis and Davis for rights to Luck

Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?

Good points ...
I'd factor this as well, into that equation. Their coach, had the recipe (if you will, from being the 49ers OC) for success to win a
championship with BW' WCO. Without this, combined with the above mentioned, the Broncos, are the Vikings of the AFC IMO.

Except they've been to 3 Superbowls without Shannahan.
Originally posted by pebble143:
If you are convinced Luck is the genuine article it would be a good decision. And for all those who think Elway was overrated you would then have to believe Sammy Winder, Gerald Wilhite, Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, Ricky Nattiel, Clarence Kay and Orson Mobley were All-Pros. It is so easy to recite statistics like passer rating, completion pct and TD passes. But to appreciate "The Duke" you had to have watched him play or at least read articles written by those who did.

Hey noob. Enough out of you. Logic is not welcome on the zone. It will not be tolerated or understood
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?

How many superbowls did Elway take the Broncos to with NO supporting cast around him (on offense or defense)?

So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

Different game in the 80s. Passer stats were not as high as they are today. Elway knew how to win, he would bring his teams back and always do just enough to win. 3 Superbowl appearances with no talent around him. But please do disprove this last point. Name some good players who were with Elway in the 80s.
Originally posted by pebble143:
If you are convinced Luck is the genuine article it would be a good decision. And for all those who think Elway was overrated you would then have to believe Sammy Winder, Gerald Wilhite, Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, Ricky Nattiel, Clarence Kay and Orson Mobley were All-Pros. It is so easy to recite statistics like passer rating, completion pct and TD passes. But to appreciate "The Duke" you had to have watched him play or at least read articles written by those who did.

It is only a good decision if Luck represents a huge upgrade at the position. And that, with great respect to everyone who has posted in this thread, nobody knows. And thats the point. Smith is currently settling in and playing well. And bearing that in mind the cost is way, way too high. We lose the linchpin of our D and one of the leaders of our O, and the first round pick we need to start the reconstruction of the defensive backfield. Too much.

And regarding Elway, I did watch him. Couldnt stand him, but you make the point very well. Elway couldnt win the thing by himself. Neither will Luck.
Let me ask you guys this. Would you want to be the coach walking into a locker room after you just traded away their offensive and defensive leader for a rookie?
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Let me ask you guys this. Would you want to be the coach walking into a locker room after you just traded away their offensive and defensive leader for a rookie?

Yup. It isn't going to happen anyway, and 80% or similar of the zone vote against it, so time to let the thread die.
Would I trade the top linebacker, top tight end and a 1st rd pick for Andrew Luck. No and thank god Harbaugh wouldn't either.
What kind of question is this? Yea lets take the 2 guys who have consistently made the probowl for us the last few years and get rid of them.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

You post these lame stats from a different era and claim he's overrated.

Elway made 9 Pro Bowls.
Started more Super Bowls than any QB in history
Won more games than any QB in history at the time he retired

I actually watched the guy play and say he's one of the top 5 QBs I've ever seen.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

You post these lame stats from a different era and claim he's overrated.

Elway made 9 Pro Bowls.
Started more Super Bowls than any QB in history
Won more games than any QB in history at the time he retired

I actually watched the guy play and say he's one of the top 5 QBs I've ever seen.

Are we actually arguing if Elway was good? If Luck=Elway I trade every player on our team for him, and throw in our draft picks for the next 2 decades! Elway not that good?! Wow!
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

You post these lame stats from a different era and claim he's overrated.

Elway made 9 Pro Bowls.
Started more Super Bowls than any QB in history
Won more games than any QB in history at the time he retired

I actually watched the guy play and say he's one of the top 5 QBs I've ever seen.

Are we actually arguing if Elway was good? If Luck=Elway I trade every player on our team for him, and throw in our draft picks for the next 2 decades! Elway not that good?! Wow!

Exaggeration alert.

Hmm. Trades every player on the team and every draft pick for the next two decades. Hope Elway can block for Elway, and catch downfield passes from himself.

I don't even rate Montana that highly!
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

You post these lame stats from a different era and claim he's overrated.

Elway made 9 Pro Bowls.
Started more Super Bowls than any QB in history
Won more games than any QB in history at the time he retired

I actually watched the guy play and say he's one of the top 5 QBs I've ever seen.

Are we actually arguing if Elway was good? If Luck=Elway I trade every player on our team for him, and throw in our draft picks for the next 2 decades! Elway not that good?! Wow!

Exaggeration alert.

Hmm. Trades every player on the team and every draft pick for the next two decades. Hope Elway can block for Elway, and catch downfield passes from himself.

I don't even rate Montana that highly!

I don't think Elway rates himself that highly.
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Except they've been to 3 Superbowls without Shannahan.

80s was all about NFC. Most of the 90s was all about NFC. AFC was a weaker conference, and Bills in the 90s and Broncos in the 80s weren't good enough to beat several teams in the NFC.

Elway was a damn good QB, but a very very over-rated QB (ok, that title belongs to Aikmam) when people start mentioning him in top 5 QB of all time.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.

You post these lame stats from a different era and claim he's overrated.

Elway made 9 Pro Bowls.
Started more Super Bowls than any QB in history
Won more games than any QB in history at the time he retired

I actually watched the guy play and say he's one of the top 5 QBs I've ever seen.

Are we actually arguing if Elway was good? If Luck=Elway I trade every player on our team for him, and throw in our draft picks for the next 2 decades! Elway not that good?! Wow!

Glad ur not da gm. U doin 2 much.
Big Luck fan, I know its college but some of the throw Luck makes are unbelievable and with the 49ers he could start form day one not sit behind Manning or get crushed in Denver of dwindle away in Miami. Don't other fans want the same? We would be set for years no more QB projects from spreads. Maybe not? Its frustrating because I one hand I like Alex and want him to win games but for the life of me wonder what it would be like to have Gore catching passed from Luck, or D Walker catching multiple td, or Crabs NOT having to reach into the sky to catch passes. Oh well happy we are 5 and one nitpicking today.