CBs vs Pass Rushers

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Rivers77:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:


I remember last year people kept coming up with insane scenarios with how Eric Berry could fall to the Niners. I think the same "wishful thinkers" are at it again this year.

You say that, but most people didn't think Crabtree would fall to us either. You never know what will happen in the draft.

We're drafting before Oakland this time though!

It may have been an anomaly, or the exception that proves the rule, but Oakland had a very good and savvy draft last year.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

A shutdown CB stops a WR 95% of the time? Even without a premiere pass-rusher, schemed or talent-driven (see Jets at NE 1st game)? Don't know about that one.

The game is won and lost at the LOS. You don't need to "get" to the QB every time. Pass rush is psychological as it is physical. Make him hurry his reads, over throw receivers, make him forget about the LB or safety reading his eyes and he throws a pick. A shutdown corner affects one player. A premiere pass-rusher affects an entire offense and significantly increases the chance of an interception for the entire defense.

How many CB go 1st overall or even in the top 5 compared to how many projected pass-rushers go 1st overall or in the top 5? The last time a CB went 1st over all was 1956. The last time a DE projected premiere pass-rusher went 1st over all was 2006 - also in 2000, 85, 82, 76, 74, 73, 72, 67. And DEs since 1980 are picked on average 3 spots higher than CB in the first round - (thank you drafthistory.com - stats skills are a bit rusty and I did a little rounding up) - but clearly in today's NFL, pass-rushers are valued from a draft perspective more than CB. I would go further to say overall from anecdotal evidence.

[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 29, 2011 at 10:22:23 ]

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

[ Edited by DaveWilcox on Jan 29, 2011 at 11:22:53 ]

I don't necessarily agree Peterson's the better CB than Amukamara...Mallett torched him pretty good. However, I don't think Baalke could go wrong drafting either guy. As for the argument of pass rusher vs CB, that's a tough call. In recent history, I think there have been a considerable number of CB's who have made bigger impacts than pass rushers. For every good to great PR, there have been several impact CB's. Really, I don't think Baalke can go wrong taking either Prince or Miller.

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

I dont think this is a fair comparison. The Jets spent a ton of money aquiring a very talented backfield. It's not just Revis, it's the guys around him. The formula seems to be aquire a very talented backfield and confuse with the blitz. I suppose that is one way to do it.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

I dont think this is a fair comparison. The Jets spent a ton of money aquiring a very talented backfield. It's not just Revis, it's the guys around him. The formula seems to be aquire a very talented backfield and confuse with the blitz. I suppose that is one way to do it.

Eh they have Cromartie and they drafted Wilson. But one of their starting safeties was out and the other one isn't Reed or Polamolu.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

I dont think this is a fair comparison. The Jets spent a ton of money aquiring a very talented backfield. It's not just Revis, it's the guys around him. The formula seems to be aquire a very talented backfield and confuse with the blitz. I suppose that is one way to do it.

But that strategy failed miserably at first until they began to scheme. I would say if New England had a viable outside threat at WR, they wouldn't have lost to the Jets.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

I dont think this is a fair comparison. The Jets spent a ton of money aquiring a very talented backfield. It's not just Revis, it's the guys around him. The formula seems to be aquire a very talented backfield and confuse with the blitz. I suppose that is one way to do it.

But that strategy failed miserably at first until they began to scheme. I would say if New England had a viable outside threat at WR, they wouldn't have lost to the Jets.

They might have still. The Colts had Wayne and look how that turned out.

Originally posted by Quitugua:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

If my memory serves me well. I can recall & remember that we've had both in the '80's & '90's...

We certainly did. But I think it's safe to say that in 1981, but taking nothing away from our All World secondary, I think Fred Dean took that defense to another level.

Pass rushers do much more for the defense. They make the QB uncomfortable. They make them throw when they don't want to. They make them throw before they want to. They may alter passes, force fumbles, can create tackles behind the LOS, etc. P

People have made an argument that a great pass rusher doesn't always equal a great defense. There are always exceptions to the rule (see the Houston Texans). However I honestly can't recall a great defense that had a great corner, but a poor pass rush. Our D-Line is strong, the interior of our linebackers are strong, we have one solid OLB (in Manny Lawson), and now we need the pass rusher that defenses must game plan for. This frees up guys like Willis, Bowman, Lawson, Laboy, Brooks, etc. The pick of a potentially dominant OLB is probably the final piece to the puzzle of us having one of the top front 7s in the league (top 10 at least). However, even with a corner like Prince, who I do like, our secondary still will be the weakest link on our defense. We'd look much better on defense with Robert Quinn in the frist and Brandon Harris in the second vs. taking Prince in the first and one of the converted DEs in the 2nd round.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nw9erfan:

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
I want either a stud DE that we can pair with Justin Smith or an OLB that can pressure QBs.

Our DBs would look good if there was havoc in the backfield more often.

By this logic, Prince should be below Quinn, Miller, and Darius on boards. So far, no one has made an argument for why we should draft Prince over these guys. I know there are many of you out there.

I'm starting to buy into that logic.... The Niners defense would be upgraded tremendously if they had a stud pass rusher....and they can still get a fine CB prospect in the second round. By then, the stud pass rushers will probably be gone.

Stud pass rushers do not grow on trees. Both Indy (Dwight Freeney) and Dallas (DeMarcus Ware) were criticized at the time for drafting these guys too high....but both teams knew how important stud pass rushers are...so they pulled the trigger...and both teams were right to do so...

its very rare for shutdown corners to be found outside the first round hpwever u can find a lot of elite pass rushers especially OLB outside first round

This is ture, but the argument isn't necessarily about an elite player at one position vs. an elite player at another, but more so, what that elite player can do for the entire defense. On more occasions than not, the elite pass rusher makes the defense look better than the elite CB does. When you think about the great defenses of all time, the 80s Bears, 80s Giants, 70s Steelers, 90s Bucks, Ravens of the 200s, etc, or even some second tier defenses like Buddy Ryan's Eagles, they were known for their pass rush.

Can anyone formulize why Peterson would have a greater impact than the top pass rushers, Quinn and Miller?

a pas rush wont be able to get to the qb all the time however a shutdown corner 95% of timie will shutdown the WR

this would be different if we ran a 4-3 but in a 3-4 stud OLB can be found all over the boards good and even great corners are rarely found outside the first round

Disagree..

A lockdown corner takes away the opposing team's best WR, not their whole passing game..

Stud 3-4 OLBs aren't easy to find. If they were, we would have stumbled on to one by now, even with Scotty being a drunk and all.

Look at all the teams running a 3-4, not even all those teams have a stud OLB that can bring it like a Matthews or Ware.

Look at guys like Quentin Groves and Aaron Maybin, lots of people around here thought there were can't miss OLB's.

Finding a stud OLB is harder than it appears, not like going to Safeway and picking a bag of Doritos.

The Jets had a stud CB but not a stud OLB, they had a significantly better defense than Dallas who had a stud OLB but no stud CB.

I dont think this is a fair comparison. The Jets spent a ton of money aquiring a very talented backfield. It's not just Revis, it's the guys around him. The formula seems to be aquire a very talented backfield and confuse with the blitz. I suppose that is one way to do it.

But that strategy failed miserably at first until they began to scheme. I would say if New England had a viable outside threat at WR, they wouldn't have lost to the Jets.

They might have still. The Colts had Wayne and look how that turned out.

I'm not saying a WR is only thing you need. The Pats had superior protection for Brady all season. The Colts had protection problems for all season. I should have been more clear; given the Pats ability to protect and give Brady time and the lack of consistent pass-rush from the Jets until they simply jammed all the short stuff with safeties, if the Pats had an outside threat to go along with their superior protection, they would have won IMHO. I think after it's determined who has the strong LOS presence, then it comes down to who you have on the outside - WR or CB.

Pass rush would be my choice but it would depend on the players at both positions being equal game changers. Best play maker available--BPMA.

A questlion for the board: Who would you rather have on the 9ers next season, a Prime Time at CB or Charles Haley at DE/OLB? Both are at the top of their positions historically.

I think you draft the best player available. IMO, Prince is ranked pretty high for a guy that got burned by Will Blackmon. I'm not sure about Von Miller other than hes a good pass rusher. If he can hold his own on coverage I say take him. We would be taking him higher than we took P. Willis.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Pass rush would be my choice but it would depend on the players at both positions being equal game changers. Best play maker available--BPMA.

A questlion for the board: Who would you rather have on the 9ers next season, a Prime Time at CB or Charles Haley at DE/OLB? Both are at the top of their positions historically.

I'd take Chuck. He has more rings for a reason than Sanders.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
IMO, with the way the game is played today, you can get away with having less-than-great talent at CB, if you have a great pass rush (see the Steelers, Packers and Ravens). However, you can have HOF talent at CB, but if you can't generate a strong, consistent pass rush, those CBs will eventually get burned.

Throwing first round picks at OLB is not how the Steelers developed their pass rush. They have system guys and those vaunted pass rushers haven't always had great success when they leave that system. You can make the same case with Baltimore and Adilius Thomas.

The heart and soul of Pittsburgh is Polamulu. With Troy they're top 5 without him they've been average.

I don't think there's a wrong way here. Just look at the Jets. Hands down built around Revis and they stopped the 2 best QB's in the league in their own house without a good outside pass rusher.