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The Clausen Propaganda Machine is Going Into Overdrive

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by kidash7:
Originally posted by bigfan:
DRAFT CLAUSEN!

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Clausen at 13 f**k THE WORLD!!!!

HATE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally posted by maximill15:
i think ESPN is on crack to think we are going to trade up to get a player who wont make an immediate impact!

I certainly hope we dont trade up for him. If we get a OT at #13 and then decide to go Clausen at #17 then i can MAYBE jump on board with this
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by kidash7:
Originally posted by bigfan:
DRAFT CLAUSEN!

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Clausen at 13 f**k THE WORLD!!!!

HATE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by maximill15:
i think ESPN is on crack to think we are going to trade up to get a player who wont make an immediate impact!

I certainly hope we dont trade up for him. If we get a OT at #13 and then decide to go Clausen at #17 then i can MAYBE jump on board with this

I still wouldn't like it but I wouldn't hate it AS MUCH.

The one positive thing about drafting Clausen is that, obviously if Smith doesn't have a good season we have a contingency plan for the future already in place. But, also, say Smith has a great season and looks like he's our guy, we could trade Clausen next year (we'll lose value on him, obviously, but I think we'd still get something in return).

So that's why I wouldn't kill anybody if we took him at #17. But taking him earlier than that, before we address our need at OT, would just be stupid.

Really, we won't even have to worry about it, though, because I think he'll be gone in the top ten.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by kidash7:
Originally posted by bigfan:
DRAFT CLAUSEN!

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Clausen at 13 f**k THE WORLD!!!!

HATE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



[ Edited by ghostrider on Apr 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM ]
No on Clausen!
If we move up its for Berry or Trent Williams.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by maximill15:
i think ESPN is on crack to think we are going to trade up to get a player who wont make an immediate impact!

I certainly hope we dont trade up for him. If we get a OT at #13 and then decide to go Clausen at #17 then i can MAYBE jump on board with this

I still wouldn't like it but I wouldn't hate it AS MUCH.

The one positive thing about drafting Clausen is that, obviously if Smith doesn't have a good season we have a contingency plan for the future already in place. But, also, say Smith has a great season and looks like he's our guy, we could trade Clausen next year (we'll lose value on him, obviously, but I think we'd still get something in return).

So that's why I wouldn't kill anybody if we took him at #17. But taking him earlier than that, before we address our need at OT, would just be stupid.

Really, we won't even have to worry about it, though, because I think he'll be gone in the top ten.

I just really don't see it happening with Clausen. I mean we got Alex right now, we signed David Carr to be a solid backup and we have Nate Davis waiting in the wings getting in to the playbook and can be ready to go in a year or two.
Ignoring the offensive line AGAIN and drafting another QB who can get sacked 50 times a season is something I hope isn't in the plans for this organization.

But they've done it before so it wouldn't surprise me.
  • dmax
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Originally posted by Schulzy:
Ignoring the offensive line AGAIN and drafting another QB who can get sacked 50 times a season is something I hope isn't in the plans for this organization.

But they've done it before so it wouldn't surprise me.

we have to many needs....RT CB. this would be the dumbest thing the 49ers would ever do
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by kidash7:
Originally posted by bigfan:
DRAFT CLAUSEN!

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Clausen at 13 f**k THE WORLD!!!!

HATE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your Notre Dame love has gotten you blinded... You are forgiven, my son.

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[ Edited by kidash on Apr 21, 2010 at 12:25 PM ]
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by valrod7:
Originally posted by kidash7:
Originally posted by bigfan:
DRAFT CLAUSEN!

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Clausen at 13 f**k THE WORLD!!!!

HATE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your Notre Dame love has gotten you blinded... You are forgiven, my son.

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Yea really. I am a ND fan too and I seriously hope we don't take Clausen, even if he fell into the second round. Brady Quinn was a much better QB at ND and look at Quinn now.
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Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by maximill15:
i think ESPN is on crack to think we are going to trade up to get a player who wont make an immediate impact!

I certainly hope we dont trade up for him. If we get a OT at #13 and then decide to go Clausen at #17 then i can MAYBE jump on board with this

I still wouldn't like it but I wouldn't hate it AS MUCH.

The one positive thing about drafting Clausen is that, obviously if Smith doesn't have a good season we have a contingency plan for the future already in place. But, also, say Smith has a great season and looks like he's our guy, we could trade Clausen next year (we'll lose value on him, obviously, but I think we'd still get something in return).

So that's why I wouldn't kill anybody if we took him at #17. But taking him earlier than that, before we address our need at OT, would just be stupid.

Really, we won't even have to worry about it, though, because I think he'll be gone in the top ten.

I just really don't see it happening with Clausen. I mean we got Alex right now, we signed David Carr to be a solid backup and we have Nate Davis waiting in the wings getting in to the playbook and can be ready to go in a year or two.

I don't believe Clausen will make it to 13 much less 17 but Kawakami is right in saying it would be the right thing to do IF you believe he can be a franchise QB.

Yes, we all know the 49ers have a glaring need at RT but this really comes down to whether you believe Smith can win a championship and are you willing to pay him the money to find out if you're right over the next 5 years.

Alex is signed for this year. If he does well, he suddenly becomes very expensive. If he fails, the 49ers let him walk and start from scratch at the most important position. We already know Carr is not a longterm option. For all of the confidence in Davis on this Board, its a lot to ask of a raw 5th round pick with a learning disability having trouble handling the entire playbook to say he's the future. Do you really want to sink or swim from 2011-2015 with Davis? Really? Or to put it another way, if Davis had been drafted by say the Dolphins in the 5th round and the 49ers just acquired him in a trade, would you be hopping up and down excited about getting him as the 49ers QB of the future? My guess is that most would not.

This, again, comes down to whether if you close your eyes and picture the next 49er QB holding the Lombardi Trophy, is it Alex Smith? If its not, and you want to win championships as opposed to just making the playoffs, then you pull the trigger on Clausen if he's there at 13 or 17.

Reasonable minds can differ on whether Clausen will be a top QB, as they can with any pick but we do know that he played in a pro style offense, was coached by a top NFL OC/QB coach, played on a ND team without great overall talent, played hurt most of his last year and the games ND won or was competitive in, it was largely due to him. I'll take that resume over Bradford's any day where he played in a spread offense, already has had a shoulder surgery, played in a lot of blowouts and in most games his team had a significant talent advantage over the opposition.

The cost of Clausen's contract would not be prohibitive either. At 13, he would likely get less than Crabtree did at # 10 after you figure in the lower position, some inflation for it being a year later and the "QB premium". With the caveat that we don't know what the new CBA will bring, it certainly will be a lot less than if the 49ers have to go into the top 10 next year to get Locher or whomever the top QBs turn out to be, not to mention the draft picks and players they might have to give up to possibly trade-up.

Getting Clausen now would also allow him to sit for a year or at least sit until the 49ers are out of the playoff picture in the event there is a repeat of 2007. If Smith got hurt, Carr could play. You wouldn't have to rush him. The same would not be true if you have to go into the top 10 next year to get a QB.

Then if you have Clausen ready to go for 2011, you have some leverage in contract negotiations with Smith. If Smith does well this year, he's going to get expensive real fast but unless the 49ers feel they are just a player or play away from a SB, they won't be forced into resigning him or franchising him to ensure he does not leave. Worst case scenario, the 49ers keep both Smith and Clausen for 2011 and let it work itself out just as it did when the Chargers had Brees and Rivers.

The 49ers can find a Tackle at 17 or in the 2nd round but do you really want to pass on a QB that could be the guy to solve the 49ers QB question for the next 10 years at a relatively reasonable price initially so that you can draft the 4th best Tackle in this draft?
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Say we actually draft Clausen, what will your reaction be?

Depends on where we took him

Here are my possible reactions:

- If we traded up for him: f**kin furious

- If we took him at #13: pissed

- If we took him at #17: ill be like wtf? but ill get over it
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by maximill15:
i think ESPN is on crack to think we are going to trade up to get a player who wont make an immediate impact!

I certainly hope we dont trade up for him. If we get a OT at #13 and then decide to go Clausen at #17 then i can MAYBE jump on board with this

I still wouldn't like it but I wouldn't hate it AS MUCH.

The one positive thing about drafting Clausen is that, obviously if Smith doesn't have a good season we have a contingency plan for the future already in place. But, also, say Smith has a great season and looks like he's our guy, we could trade Clausen next year (we'll lose value on him, obviously, but I think we'd still get something in return).

So that's why I wouldn't kill anybody if we took him at #17. But taking him earlier than that, before we address our need at OT, would just be stupid.

Really, we won't even have to worry about it, though, because I think he'll be gone in the top ten.

I just really don't see it happening with Clausen. I mean we got Alex right now, we signed David Carr to be a solid backup and we have Nate Davis waiting in the wings getting in to the playbook and can be ready to go in a year or two.

I don't believe Clausen will make it to 13 much less 17 but Kawakami is right in saying it would be the right thing to do IF you believe he can be a franchise QB.

Yes, we all know the 49ers have a glaring need at RT but this really comes down to whether you believe Smith can win a championship and are you willing to pay him the money to find out if you're right over the next 5 years.

Alex is signed for this year. If he does well, he suddenly becomes very expensive. If he fails, the 49ers let him walk and start from scratch at the most important position. We already know Carr is not a longterm option. For all of the confidence in Davis on this Board, its a lot to ask of a raw 5th round pick with a learning disability having trouble handling the entire playbook to say he's the future. Do you really want to sink or swim from 2011-2015 with Davis? Really? Or to put it another way, if Davis had been drafted by say the Dolphins in the 5th round and the 49ers just acquired him in a trade, would you be hopping up and down excited about getting him as the 49ers QB of the future? My guess is that most would not.

This, again, comes down to whether if you close your eyes and picture the next 49er QB holding the Lombardi Trophy, is it Alex Smith? If its not, and you want to win championships as opposed to just making the playoffs, then you pull the trigger on Clausen if he's there at 13 or 17.

Reasonable minds can differ on whether Clausen will be a top QB, as they can with any pick but we do know that he played in a pro style offense, was coached by a top NFL OC/QB coach, played on a ND team without great overall talent, played hurt most of his last year and the games ND won or was competitive in, it was largely due to him. I'll take that resume over Bradford's any day where he played in a spread offense, already has had a shoulder surgery, played in a lot of blowouts and in most games his team had a significant talent advantage over the opposition.

The cost of Clausen's contract would not be prohibitive either. At 13, he would likely get less than Crabtree did at # 10 after you figure in the lower position, some inflation for it being a year later and the "QB premium". With the caveat that we don't know what the new CBA will bring, it certainly will be a lot less than if the 49ers have to go into the top 10 next year to get Locher or whomever the top QBs turn out to be, not to mention the draft picks and players they might have to give up to possibly trade-up.

Getting Clausen now would also allow him to sit for a year or at least sit until the 49ers are out of the playoff picture in the event there is a repeat of 2007. If Smith got hurt, Carr could play. You wouldn't have to rush him. The same would not be true if you have to go into the top 10 next year to get a QB.

Then if you have Clausen ready to go for 2011, you have some leverage in contract negotiations with Smith. If Smith does well this year, he's going to get expensive real fast but unless the 49ers feel they are just a player or play away from a SB, they won't be forced into resigning him or franchising him to ensure he does not leave. Worst case scenario, the 49ers keep both Smith and Clausen for 2011 and let it work itself out just as it did when the Chargers had Brees and Rivers.

The 49ers can find a Tackle at 17 or in the 2nd round but do you really want to pass on a QB that could be the guy to solve the 49ers QB question for the next 10 years at a relatively reasonable price initially so that you can draft the 4th best Tackle in this draft?

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