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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Build from the trenches.

"Breed & Bred Elite Linemen"
The league is in-need of an extinct group of beasts.

Draft OLs and DLs in the 1st round every year. You have 5 years to use their services but can trade them also after 3 or 4 years for 1st round picks when we can't afford them anymore alas Buckner. But if they're elite then sign them to a LT deal after 4 or 5 years. For example, if Bosa stays elite throughout 3 or 4 years then sign him to a LT deal, do it for every position on the line OL & DL and ride on rookie deals for the good to great ones that can get us a 1st round in return to a trade. We'll have at least 2 first round picks a year if it works. We can use one of them on a skill player to if he's a cannot miss star. If they miss on a 1st round player, the least we could get is a complimentary pick or a mid to lower rd picks on a trade.
An elite OL will make everything goes, sames goes for an elite DL group. Think of flag football or 7-on-7, everything always works because there's no pressure on the QB. Eventually, someone is going to break open no matter what.
KS don't need star players for his system to shine, all he need is a QB like Jimmy G and TIME. He makes 2nd rounders and lower rd skill players looks good to great alas Kittle, Juice and so forth, most of our RBs are UDFAs. An Elite OL 1st round talents across the board can give him that time. Same goes for defense, everything works if our explosive elite DL is unblockable. Disrupts their timing in everything they do.

Iron sharpens iron. 1st round talented DL facing a 1st round talented OL every day in practice and then face their opponents for 3 hours should be a piece of cake.


Solid post!

Many forget that during all those Super Bowl wins the Pats had - they had an excellent OLine in every one of them.

I don't have the stats or the time to look them up but I'd bet that TB was hardly sacked at all - especially against the Rams.

Very true about the Pats, and the two SB losses they had was from the Giants who had an elite DL.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Just don't pick a bust. We need an impact player.


This x a million!
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Just don't pick a bust. We need an impact player.


This x a million!

Yeah we didn't get rid of Buckner to get a solid player we are trying to get an elite player. Make the pick at 13 and then trade down at 31
[ Edited by elguapo on Apr 15, 2020 at 1:33 PM ]
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Just don't pick a bust. We need an impact player.


This x a million!

Yeah we didn't get rid of Buckner to get a solid player we are trying to get an elite player. Make the pick at 13 and then trade down at 31

Excellent!
I personally hope they trade down to pick up more picks this year. This draft is deep, and I believe in the 49ers to select quality players if we move down couple of spots. Maybe not flashy names but hopefully many starters that can contribute right away (or in a year most likely).

I'm hoping we upgrade OL, CB, and WR the most in that order. I think and hope we spend multiple picks on these positions. I also believe they'll go DT early as well.

I would actually trade 13 down and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th. I would then trade down 31 as well to pick up an extra pick (maybe 4th or 5th?). Trade a few players for late rounds (4th or 5th for Goodwin, same for Thomas, and one of the RBs).

I'm not sure what player(s) I like but they should at least end up with the following picks:
1st (1) (trade down)
2nd (1) (trade down)
3rd (1) (by trading 13)
4th (2) (By trading 31 and trading a player)
5th (3) (by trading another player)
6th (2) (by trading both 7th rounds to move up)

End up with ten quality players instead of the current seven.
draft good players and don't draft any bad players.
Originally posted by luis1985:
I personally hope they trade down to pick up more picks this year. This draft is deep, and I believe in the 49ers to select quality players if we move down couple of spots. Maybe not flashy names but hopefully many starters that can contribute right away (or in a year most likely).

I'm hoping we upgrade OL, CB, and WR the most in that order. I think and hope we spend multiple picks on these positions. I also believe they'll go DT early as well.

I would actually trade 13 down and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th. I would then trade down 31 as well to pick up an extra pick (maybe 4th or 5th?). Trade a few players for late rounds (4th or 5th for Goodwin, same for Thomas, and one of the RBs).

I'm not sure what player(s) I like but they should at least end up with the following picks:
1st (1) (trade down)
2nd (1) (trade down)
3rd (1) (by trading 13)
4th (2) (By trading 31 and trading a player)
5th (3) (by trading another player)
6th (2) (by trading both 7th rounds to move up)

End up with ten quality players instead of the current seven.

No. Firstly there is no guarantee that all of your low picks will make it onto the final roster let alone be quality. Generally, the odds are against it.

There is not 10 vacancies on the final roster, so consequently some of your picks will end up playing for other teams.

Whilst nowhere in the draft is guaranteed, the higher picks have a better chance of success and of being an impact player.
Originally posted by English:
No. Firstly there is no guarantee that all of your low picks will make it onto the final roster let alone be quality. Generally, the odds are against it.

There is not 10 vacancies on the final roster, so consequently some of your picks will end up playing for other teams.

Whilst nowhere in the draft is guaranteed, the higher picks have a better chance of success and of being an impact player.


Absolutely! Quality over quantity this yr. Why? Because with luck we may not have more than 4 or 5 players make the squad this yr. Why? Because we had so many injuries last yr that virtually all our guys played in rotation, or started sometime or another . There are 4 slots tho that we have to have:

OL... a guy who can do pass pro (and also be agile enough to do zone blocking)

DL...a guy to take Buck's place (possibly but probably not)...we take a DL anyway.

WR...Coach still wants that #1 WR, even tho we already have him at TE. Just hope it isn't #13

CB...desperately need a cover Corner

Aside from that, anyone making team will be adding to our depth, but JL has us pretty well fixed there. Still as they say, there is always room at the top.

We keep #13 or maybe slide down 1-2 slots IF it is guaranteed we still get our main guy by trading down...otherwise we stay put. Two slots down is 100 pts and that is the 4th pick in rd 4, still in the top 100. (Depth in draft goes to #151.)

#31 would nail us another starter, but if JL sees a trade down to get a 3rd starter and a shot at a 4th, then so be it. After that, will really be tough to make this team.
I'm for trading back at #31.

BUT if we can't then I'd like to see us get 2 starters w/those picks.
Originally posted by English:
No. Firstly there is no guarantee that all of your low picks will make it onto the final roster let alone be quality. Generally, the odds are against it.

There is not 10 vacancies on the final roster, so consequently some of your picks will end up playing for other teams.

While that's true, there's a lot of value in getting to evaluate a player in camp/OTAs and cutting them if need be. It's OK if some of your picks end up playing for other teams if you keep the good ones for yourself. Getting those mid-late round gems is so key to building a team. Where would we have been without Dre Greenlaw? Sure your odds between 4-7 are low of getting good players, but that's why you need more bullets. Even getting just another 3rd would be great. The opportunity to get another Fred Warner quality player is enticing (or Witherspoon :/)

I would agree that at a certain point, you can obviously have too many draft picks. But right now, I think the 49ers are at the opposite end of the spectrum, where they have too few.

Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by luis1985:
I personally hope they trade down to pick up more picks this year. This draft is deep, and I believe in the 49ers to select quality players if we move down couple of spots. Maybe not flashy names but hopefully many starters that can contribute right away (or in a year most likely).

I'm hoping we upgrade OL, CB, and WR the most in that order. I think and hope we spend multiple picks on these positions. I also believe they'll go DT early as well.

I would actually trade 13 down and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th. I would then trade down 31 as well to pick up an extra pick (maybe 4th or 5th?). Trade a few players for late rounds (4th or 5th for Goodwin, same for Thomas, and one of the RBs).

I'm not sure what player(s) I like but they should at least end up with the following picks:
1st (1) (trade down)
2nd (1) (trade down)
3rd (1) (by trading 13)
4th (2) (By trading 31 and trading a player)
5th (3) (by trading another player)
6th (2) (by trading both 7th rounds to move up)

End up with ten quality players instead of the current seven.

No. Firstly there is no guarantee that all of your low picks will make it onto the final roster let alone be quality. Generally, the odds are against it.

There is not 10 vacancies on the final roster, so consequently some of your picks will end up playing for other teams.

Whilst nowhere in the draft is guaranteed, the higher picks have a better chance of success and of being an impact player.




I think we learned our lesson with Trent poppin tags Baalke
Get 2 starters from day 1 out of this draft and draft back up potentials and this draft is a win for me
I was totally into the idea of trading down from 13 until I started looking at highlights of Ruggs, Jeudy and Lamb. Good god, they're all incredible.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Just don't pick a bust. We need an impact player.

I agree. This pick could set the team back for a long time, especially after giving away one more year of buckner
Originally posted by jersey49er:
Get 2 starters from day 1 out of this draft and draft back up potentials and this draft is a win for me

That's the easiest answer...but true. If you don't squirrel around trying to get that 3rd starter from the draft, you want to be even more sure you don't manage to lose your sure bet at #31. On a club that basically has depth thruout, incl QB, there is a lot to be said for being conservative and bagging your two, then sitting it out for next 120 picks. Imagine having to do that in this draft.

A guy could go crazy watching that happen.
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