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May 2, 2022 at 4:47 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by cciowa:
bringing tartt back is supposed to be some sort of a solution,, he is not good.. i at least see the reasoning with signing jason. the man has played at a all pro ability. tartt is below average

Why is he not good? What is he so horrible at? He's not an all-pro but he does his job and wasn't a liability at all. Could they do better? Sure. He's fair from "not good" though.

Tartt is an above average Safety. However, I think the squad is looking to see what they have in developmental guys. He's very injury prone to eat a roster position.

As for the Saints signing... that was paying for history, and I'm not sure he remotely lives up to that contract. It was expensive. A team can only throw larger money at so many players.
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May 2, 2022 at 4:48 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They were over the cap by a lot. Then they renegotiated the contracts they had and pushed the bill down the road. Now over half their cap in 2023 is dedicated to 5 guys. 30 mil over next year not including the money they are going to promise Matthieu. Gonna be closer to 40 mil over.

And their QB is Jameis Winston. Feels like at this point they are terrified of rebuilding.
May 2, 2022 at 4:51 PM
Originally posted by Fasteddy:
Agree with the take on Jason - high end talent on a low cost budget is low risk. As for Tartt, depends on the contract. It's telling he hasn't received offers from other teams... I'm somewhat content to roll with the players on the roster, drafted, and signed post draft. Let's see what the team has in them.

Unless you're a young elite S the market has been pretty poor for that position in FA. Something like 20 S signed this yr we're for no more than 1yr $2M. Jayron Kearse who was one of the better coverage S this yr signed for what was basically a 1yr $5M deal.

Tartt was never gonna get big money. IMO tartt is a "safe" safety for SF. He knows the scheme, can do whatever you want and rarely messes up. That's all I'm looking for right now.
May 2, 2022 at 4:51 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Saints are a poorly run club. I would hate my team to be doing this annual stupid salary cap dance. I would hate to see the huge looming cap hits kicked down the road.

They've lost real players like Armstead, Williams and Hendrickson.

They have the 6th most dead money in the NFL at $29 million. We have only $5 mil in dead money. So they are around 6 times as much in dead money as us. We rank 29th in dead money which means we are very well run.

Exactly this. They lose several key players including one of their best lineman and people are bragging about them getting an overpriced safety.
May 2, 2022 at 4:57 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by cciowa:
bringing tartt back is supposed to be some sort of a solution,, he is not good.. i at least see the reasoning with signing jason. the man has played at a all pro ability. tartt is below average

Why is he not good? What is he so horrible at? He's not an all-pro but he does his job and wasn't a liability at all. Could they do better? Sure. He's fair from "not good" though.

I guess if all you want is to be "competitive" to have guys like tartt who can never quite make game changing plays but is average. then thats fine,
May 2, 2022 at 5:00 PM
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ok.. we went from win now. to lets just be competitive.. lets be safe. we got a game changer qb just so we can be competitive.. jesus. if that is all you people want. then just keep jimmy. safe. competitive. i get it... less pressure.. no fun having lofty goals like winning divisions. and gulp.. actually winning super bowls.. tartt has become the new poster child for expectations this year to some.... safe
May 2, 2022 at 5:04 PM
Originally posted by cciowa:
I guess if all you want is to be "competitive" to have guys like tartt who can never quite make game changing plays but is average. then thats fine,

Dude spare me the "competitive" stuff… I want guys like Trent Williams, Kittle, Deebo, Lance, Fred Warner, Bosa, armstead, Ward/Ward etc. you can't have pro-bowl highly paid guys at every single position.

tartt does a lot of the dirty work and sorry those dudes are just as important to the whole team. Quit being so disrespectful dude. I get it, you look at the stat and make a decision on a player. He's far from not good and does way more good things than bad things.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 2, 2022 at 5:06 PM ]
May 2, 2022 at 5:05 PM
Originally posted by cciowa:
ok.. we went from win now. to lets just be competitive.. lets be safe. we got a game changer qb just so we can be competitive.. jesus. if that is all you people want. then just keep jimmy. safe. competitive. i get it... less pressure.. no fun having lofty goals like winning divisions. and gulp.. actually winning super bowls.. tartt has become the new poster child for expectations this year to some.... safe

my god quit being so dramatic over a safety
May 2, 2022 at 5:08 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by cciowa:
ok.. we went from win now. to lets just be competitive.. lets be safe. we got a game changer qb just so we can be competitive.. jesus. if that is all you people want. then just keep jimmy. safe. competitive. i get it... less pressure.. no fun having lofty goals like winning divisions. and gulp.. actually winning super bowls.. tartt has become the new poster child for expectations this year to some.... safe

my god quit being so dramatic over a safety
pretty glaring hole.. tartt has underwhelmed his entire career.. its like if mack retires . the answer is to bring back kilgore. but its fine.. i have already agreed with you. its good to be competitive and to make safe choices . so relax
May 2, 2022 at 5:15 PM
Originally posted by cciowa:
pretty glaring hole.. tartt has underwhelmed his entire career.. its like if mack retires . the answer is to bring back kilgore. but its fine.. i have already agreed with you. its good to be competitive and to make safe choices . so relax

please explain what Tartt does wrong from a scheme standpoint? Don't give me random stats, what is he bad at?

not a single person said anything about Kilgore. Tartt is not Kilgore lol.

all I'm saying is you can't go high end elite at every position.
May 2, 2022 at 5:17 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
They were over the cap by a lot. Then they renegotiated the contracts they had and pushed the bill down the road. Now over half their cap in 2023 is dedicated to 5 guys. 30 mil over next year not including the money they are going to promise Matthieu. Gonna be closer to 40 mil over.

And their QB is Jameis Winston. Feels like at this point they are terrified of rebuilding.

Damn, so true. Weird too. Lol. I guess this wasn't a great year to do it given the QB class. But the way they're set up they won't be in range of the top QBs next year
May 2, 2022 at 6:16 PM
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Boo hoo we didn't sign a 10 million dollar a year, 30 year old free safety to play Strong Safety.

Did he get $10M a yr? Yeah, no thanks, I'm good with what we have.

Agreed 100%. Let the Saints pay him that much. Niners have one very good S in Ward...let the other guys battle it out for the second S position. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Hufanga takes it.

In a league that values speed in the wide outs. we counter with a slow safety. brilliant

The Saints signed a very expensive safety? I thought that they were over the cap by $100 million. lo

the lame response would be.... well. they will pay for it down the road. lol

They can keep on restructuring, but this is not the way you want to manage your cap. Redoing contracts every year to be under the cap? They are already over again for 2023. Its like someone making minimum payments on bills monthly just to keep things on, late fees, etc. And on top of that, they aren't even good.
May 2, 2022 at 6:18 PM
Originally posted by 91til:
Damn, so true. Weird too. Lol. I guess this wasn't a great year to do it given the QB class. But the way they're set up they won't be in range of the top QBs next year

And it wouldn't matter if they were anyways because they traded away their 1st rounder next year to move up for Olave. I don't know what their long term plan is right now.
May 2, 2022 at 6:18 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by cciowa:
I guess if all you want is to be "competitive" to have guys like tartt who can never quite make game changing plays but is average. then thats fine,

Dude spare me the "competitive" stuff… I want guys like Trent Williams, Kittle, Deebo, Lance, Fred Warner, Bosa, armstead, Ward/Ward etc. you can't have pro-bowl highly paid guys at every single position.

tartt does a lot of the dirty work and sorry those dudes are just as important to the whole team. Quit being so disrespectful dude. I get it, you look at the stat and make a decision on a player. He's far from not good and does way more good things than bad things.

If only they put that level of analysis into other teams. I wonder if people on Rams boards had meltdowns over their linebackers last year.
May 2, 2022 at 6:19 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 91til:
Damn, so true. Weird too. Lol. I guess this wasn't a great year to do it given the QB class. But the way they're set up they won't be in range of the top QBs next year

And it wouldn't matter if they were anyways because they traded away their 1st rounder next year to move up for Olave. I don't know what their long term plan is right now.

I forgot they did that. Yeah, we should aspire to be the Saints.
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