Baas=Heitmann=Snyder=Rags...and then there's Wallace

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Irregardless of whose side you come down on re: Heitmann, be it maddog or most of the rest of us, i think the bottom line is this. Heitmann has to get better...a lot better to play decent center. If he wants to concentrate on one thing, it would be not ending up in the backfield, tripping up his qB. Not letting his QB become a grease spot would also be high on his list. But that said, i do not believe one of us wants heitmann to do anything else but play great football this yr. Top 15 amongst centers? Well, he has to play a lot better this yr to convince many of us. Here is the thing tho: not one of us wishes heitmann ill. EVeryone wants him to play the kind of center that would make him be considered for all pro status. I doubt he will, but that doesn't make me not wish for him to do so. Why?

Because if all our other guys, staley, AD, poti, hopefully chilo, sims all play lites out, and heitmann plays center in the backfield, well that means another yr of beating all sub .500 teams,(okay, some of them) and then losing to all over .500 teams. In other words, 7-9, 8-8...again. NObody wants that, but even with the talent we now have, if heitmann goes out and lays eggs for us, our qb gets creamed. And we lose. Couldn't be any simpler than that. Heitmanm should have excellent to decent play on both sides of him at OG. I just hope he gets meaner, faster, quicker, stronger, smarter...and i also hope he makes me think of him as a top 5 Center. Because if he does, this team is going places. If we see a redux of last yr, and previous yrs, we are DITW...dead in the water.

A corollary to this is heitmann has to crank it up for the coaches, also. If he can't defend his qb, nor can he move the guy in front of him 6" on 3rd and 6", then he will share in the responsibility of not only a new OC, but also a HC. With the talent now assembled, bigMike HAS to come thru, or a 6-10 or 7-9 season will be his last here. I don't think any 9er fan wants to see us redo everything all over again. So, what we all don't want to hear this yr is heitmann's name being mentioned after ANY play. If you are an OL and you hear your name called all game, chances are you are hearing the sound of a guy about to be benched... or worse.

Whoa, dude. Yer so . . . biased.

Name just one sportswriter who ever wrote anything like what you just posted. Therefour, biased must ye be.

"Eric Heitmann is a very good football player" without any weakness in his game, anywhere. If you weren't so biased, you'd easily see this.

No one has ever written anything negative about Heitmann, so obviously, he's never made a mistake, never missed an assignment, never failed to execute properly, and NEVER BEEN PUSHED BACK into the QB or the pulling guard (Baas), or into a RB.

Not ONCE! EVAR! Its a MYTH, like leprechauns, or unicorns, or the tooth fairy, or cockroaches in a nuclear holocaust, or the abominable snowman in a nuclear holocaust, or something weird like that!

Bias, I tell ya.

Just who are you gonna believe, your own eyes, or those completely unbiased, expert media guys who, obviously, know everything about every play and every player, all the time.

Why, even Mike Martz--yes, THE Mike Martz--said Heitmann is perfect, or "the best evar" or something like that. So you MUST be biased.

An everyone knows what a great OL coach Martz was, or is; how he's made his reputation in the NF of L as a "run first" OC who focuses, almost exclusively, on OL play. An he's NEVER said anything about his own players that wasn't absolutely correct. JTO will, surely, be in the HOF someday.

So, how dare you question, even ever so slightly, the abilities of our very own Eric Heitmann, even if you did see something--and we're NOT admitting that you did.

Your post will, deservedly, call down the wrath of the almighty, omniscient, and omnipotent Heitmann Defenders--Protectors of the realm, Thought Police Extraordinaire, Fashion Mavens Deluxe, Secret Police ain't got nuttin on them.

Better duck and cover. Or just swim upstream a little further, out of the way.
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(Seriously, I think you're right on, but I just wanted to rant for a minute. Its actually quite cathartic. )

My responses have been based on the title. To equate Heitmann with any of the listed players is asinine. It is just flat out stupid.

I have never stated that Heitmann does not have any weaknesses. I have never stated once in this thread that Heitmann is a great center. I have never stated once that he is a Pro-Bowl center. At the same time, Heitmann is obviously grading out pretty damn well for the team, and the players seem to think he is a pretty good player, or they wouldn't put the captain's logo on his jersey.

My argument has always been against those who think he is a liability. Myargument is that isolating one play in 2007, which happens to be three years ago, and making that an evalution of his play the past two years is a poor analysis. That taking one play in 2009 and making a judgment on his overall play is also silly. Any analyst who would define any player in the league by any one particular play would be at first, laughed at, and then at some point fired. Players win and lose matchups. No one is perfect, and you will never find I make any statement of this type about Heitmann.

I post responses to threads like these, because, for some reason, for some people, Heitmann is a problem that needs to be addressed. And, that is quite funny, because I have not heard any person make this analysis from any of the guys who follow the team. If Heitmann was a problem, do you think the word would leak out to one of the beat writers, one of the broadcasters, anyone. There is no chatter of Heitmann being a player to even consider replacing, because everyone seems to think he is a pretty damn good football player, from scouts to coaches to broadcasters to writers. Please review any writeup, and you will not find anything novel, unique, stunning from what I am saying. I am making common knowledge statements. So, if I am parroting these writers, coaches, scouts, are all these people delusional? They must be. They must have taken a beer break in the Seattle game in 2007, and surely they must have hit the hot dog stand in the Vikings game on the third and short play that clearly defines his career, for some. It obviously doesn't for others, the ones who watch these guys every day in practice, in games, in film sessions.

This thread, and others, that take shots at Heitmann are silly. They are silly to anyone who seriously follows this team. They are silly to anyone who is serious about forming an impartial analysis.

However, I do think your over the top responses to be quite humorous. So, touche.

P.S. In other words, Heitmann is Problem #34685 for this roster. To suggest he is a liability is silly. God, if Heitmann is a problem, then more than half the Niners' starters need to be replaced by journeyman backups as well.

One again, can we start the McKillop=Willis thread at any point?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
My responses have been based on the title. To equate Heitmann with any of the listed players is asinine. It is just flat out stupid.

I have never stated that Heitmann does not have any weaknesses. I have never stated once in this thread that Heitmann is a great center. I have never stated once that he is a Pro-Bowl center. At the same time, Heitmann is obviously grading out pretty damn well for the team, and the players seem to think he is a pretty good player, or they wouldn't put the captain's logo on his jersey.

My argument has always been against those who think he is a liability. Myargument is that isolating one play in 2007, which happens to be three years ago, and making that an evalution of his play the past two years is a poor analysis. That taking one play in 2009 and making a judgment on his overall play is also silly. Any analyst who would define any player in the league by any one particular play would be at first, laughed at, and then at some point fired. Players win and lose matchups. No one is perfect, and you will never find I make any statement of this type about Heitmann.

I post responses to threads like these, because, for some reason, for some people, Heitmann is a problem that needs to be addressed. And, that is quite funny, because I have not heard any person make this analysis from any of the guys who follow the team. If Heitmann was a problem, do you think the word would leak out to one of the beat writers, one of the broadcasters, anyone. There is no chatter of Heitmann being a player to even consider replacing, because everyone seems to think he is a pretty damn good football player, from scouts to coaches to broadcasters to writers. Please review any writeup, and you will not find anything novel, unique, stunning from what I am saying. I am making common knowledge statements. So, if I am parroting these writers, coaches, scouts, are all these people delusional? They must be. They must have taken a beer break in the Seattle game in 2007, and surely they must have hit the hot dog stand in the Vikings game on the third and short play that clearly defines his career, for some. It obviously doesn't for others, the ones who watch these guys every day in practice, in games, in film sessions.

This thread, and others, that take shots at Heitmann are silly. They are silly to anyone who seriously follows this team. They are silly to anyone who is serious about forming an impartial analysis.

However, I do think your over the top responses to be quite humorous. So, touche.

P.S. In other words, Heitmann is Problem #34685 for this roster. To suggest he is a liability is silly. God, if Heitmann is a problem, then more than half the Niners' starters need to be replaced by journeyman backups as well.

One again, can we start the McKillop=Willis thread at any point?

Preach on MD, Preach On, I agree 100%

Dog, what can i say? You are certainly persistent, and your allegiance to heitmann is admirable. For all our sakes, i just hope he plays world's better than he has before. I am always happy to see one of our team members excel, and as stated earlier, we need him to succeed. Somehow we just happen to see this one player from different viewpoints. Very different viewpoints. As in many things there can be different opinions re: the same subject. That is where you and I (and others) differ. No one is screaming, no one is shouting, but unquestionably, our C is viewed as a " good football player" by you, and a liability by others, such as i. No one is going to convince either of us that we are incorrect. I believe i speak for all in wanting heitmann to play well for us this yr. That is as close as you and i are going to get on this subject.

If heitmann keeps alex from being bullrushed(and subsequently injured), if heitmann can block for that must have 3rd and 2 and get it, and that level of play is repeated thruout the yr, you will hear me praise heitmann. If the converse happens, you will hear more of the same as the thread title.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
My responses have been based on the title. To equate Heitmann with any of the listed players is asinine. It is just flat out stupid.

I have never stated that Heitmann does not have any weaknesses. I have never stated once in this thread that Heitmann is a great center. I have never stated once that he is a Pro-Bowl center. At the same time, Heitmann is obviously grading out pretty damn well for the team, and the players seem to think he is a pretty good player, or they wouldn't put the captain's logo on his jersey.

My argument has always been against those who think he is a liability. Myargument is that isolating one play in 2007, which happens to be three years ago, and making that an evalution of his play the past two years is a poor analysis. That taking one play in 2009 and making a judgment on his overall play is also silly. Any analyst who would define any player in the league by any one particular play would be at first, laughed at, and then at some point fired. Players win and lose matchups. No one is perfect, and you will never find I make any statement of this type about Heitmann.

I post responses to threads like these, because, for some reason, for some people, Heitmann is a problem that needs to be addressed. And, that is quite funny, because I have not heard any person make this analysis from any of the guys who follow the team. If Heitmann was a problem, do you think the word would leak out to one of the beat writers, one of the broadcasters, anyone. There is no chatter of Heitmann being a player to even consider replacing, because everyone seems to think he is a pretty damn good football player, from scouts to coaches to broadcasters to writers. Please review any writeup, and you will not find anything novel, unique, stunning from what I am saying. I am making common knowledge statements. So, if I am parroting these writers, coaches, scouts, are all these people delusional? They must be. They must have taken a beer break in the Seattle game in 2007, and surely they must have hit the hot dog stand in the Vikings game on the third and short play that clearly defines his career, for some. It obviously doesn't for others, the ones who watch these guys every day in practice, in games, in film sessions.

This thread, and others, that take shots at Heitmann are silly. They are silly to anyone who seriously follows this team. They are silly to anyone who is serious about forming an impartial analysis.

However, I do think your over the top responses to be quite humorous. So, touche.

P.S. In other words, Heitmann is Problem #34685 for this roster. To suggest he is a liability is silly. God, if Heitmann is a problem, then more than half the Niners' starters need to be replaced by journeyman backups as well.

One again, can we start the McKillop=Willis thread at any point?

I think all pasodoc was trying to say is that none of those four guys is a top five talent at his respective position. Can you seriously argue with that proposition? In fact, above, you appear to agree with it.

So you get to criticize Heitmann, but anyone else dare not do so?

Give up the weak argument that Heitmann is not a problem, or has no weakness, just because the beat writers have never said so. Maybe they were having a beer when Rocky Bernard blew past Heitmann and demolished Alex Smith's shoulder in 2007. Who cares where they were, or what they chose, and choose, to ignore.

Fact is, it was on TV and everybody saw it. Not everybody paid attention and knew exactly what had happened, but some--like Doc--did, and are not afraid to say so. Despite the fact that some have adopted Heitmann as their personal sacred cow.

And who said, ever, that the criticism of Heitmann is based solely on that play, or just on that play and the one at the end of the Minnesota game? Answer: NO ONE. That's just more overstatement and hyperbole.

There are several posters who have pointed out that Heitmann tends to get pushed back, maybe not frequently, but certainly more than he should. Some of the guys on this board actually know football, and watch football, and know what they're talking about.

How do you know how Heitmann's play grades out by the team? Have you seen the grades? Have you talked, directly with the coaches?

The fact that there were "tryouts" for center at the recent OTA could, arguably, be due to the new OL coaches taking a fresh look at the OL, and not liking everything they see at center.

If Heitmann is graded so high, is so completely ensconsed at center, do you really think they're gonna have someone take his snaps and open up a competition? More likely they'd just try out the guy with the second string and leave it at that, if all they're looking for is a backup center. Did they ever seriously give Willis' snaps with the first team to McKillop? No.

Maybe they're trying to light a fire under Heitmann. Of course, since you haven't read it in someone's column, it couldn't possibly be true, could it.

". . . if Heitmann is a problem, then more than half the Niners' starters need to be replaced. . . ." Nearly half the Niners' starters, on the OL, are being replaced. This is news to you?

Glad to hear that you appreciate the parody. I edited it somewhat to try not to offend.

Here's an observation: maybe you haven't noticed, but you have a tendency to hugely overstate a position with which you disagree, then you also overstate your belittlement of that position. Frankly, that's an easy, almost lazy way to argue (though it can be fun).

I.e., "Willis = McKillop." No one suggested that; its a gross overstatement. And yet how easy it would be to completely debunk. So you set yourself up a strawman to easily knock down. Big whoop.

Problem is, you don't really address the original premise, which in this case may be summarized as: "Is Heitmann going to be able to step up his play to keep up with the improved talent around him, and stop getting pushed into the backfield so often?"

Your hyperbolic non-response is not very satisfactory to anyone, nor is it a particularly productive contribution to the discussion. IMHO.

BTW, you owe pasodoc an apology.

A way of solving this discussion, while being somewhat realistic, is that if Iupati and Davis pan out, if Rachal can raise his game and Staley maintain his game, then with all of the rest of the cast playing at a higher, more coorinated level, then maybe the flaws in Heitmann's game will be so clear that that will be the next part of the line that will be seriouisly addressed. Until then Staley and Heitmann appear to be the best linemen in our oline, Rachal is up and coming, Bass low average, and Snyder abysmal.

I hope Boone shows enough to push Sims for back up tackle.

MB Chat Today:

12:42 [Comment From Six-Ace-DeuceSix-Ace-Deuce: ]
Is there any chance David Baas could challenge Eric Heitmann for his job as the starting Center? Given Baas' record at Michigan and recognition he received as a Center there.

Friday May 28, 2010 12:42 Six-Ace-Deuce
12:43 MattB_49: Heitmann is one of the most underrated centers in the league. He's so unassuming. My joke is that if he starts a locker-room fistfight and the news gets picked up by ESPN and Pro Football Talk, he'll go to his first Pro Bowl. if the 49ers reach the playoffs, in fact, I definitely can see Heitmann going to Hawaii ... MB Chat Wrap: Heitmann a Pro-Bowl Candidate

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
MB Chat Today:

12:42 [Comment From Six-Ace-DeuceSix-Ace-Deuce: ]
Is there any chance David Baas could challenge Eric Heitmann for his job as the starting Center? Given Baas' record at Michigan and recognition he received as a Center there.

Friday May 28, 2010 12:42 Six-Ace-Deuce
12:43 MattB_49: Heitmann is one of the most underrated centers in the league. He's so unassuming. My joke is that if he starts a locker-room fistfight and the news gets picked up by ESPN and Pro Football Talk, he'll go to his first Pro Bowl. if the 49ers reach the playoffs, in fact, I definitely can see Heitmann going to Hawaii ... MB Chat Wrap: Heitmann a Pro-Bowl Candidate

Ah, well, at least now we all know what to think.

Must be true, MB sez so.

Isn't "He's so unassuming" a polite way of saying, "he's a p***y."

Must be true, MB sez so.

Heitmann probably won't start a fistfight, in the locker room or on the practice field. Wonder why?

Maybe there's a mental weakness there, not a physical one.

He, and the rest of the OL, need a serious infusion of bad attitude.

Up to Solari and Brown to instill it.

Dog, MB as sportswriter uber alles for the 49ers? C'mon. I would like to speak my mind on SF sportswriters, particularly those covering the 9ers in the glory yrs, but i will just bite my tongue. I can tell you that having lived in Texas, Ill, Wyo, and for last 41 yrs in Calif, from SD to LA to mid Ca, the "sportswriters" in SF were considered a joke to many people. I refuse to believe you make your 49er decisions based on what sportswriters write, particularly locally. You know way more football than all but a few, or maybe one sportswriter. Yes we do have an occasional stellar one. But that is the exception, not the rule...imo. No names mentioned, but there have been occasions in times past when local sportswriters have literally parroted discussions on the webzone in their columns. There is a whole lot more info, most times good, on this website than in all local newspapers. We do have a local superstar, and most everyone knows him. But for the rest...

You guys can stick your head in the sand all you want. However, when week after week, writer after writer, and sportscaster after sportscasters make flattering statements about his play, at some point you have to abandon "the earth is square" philosophy.

Just admit you cannot fairly analyze his play, admit you have a bias against him, and move on. For myself, I'm just joining the rest of the civilized world in my assessment.

By the way, I'm sure MB has zero access to those in the organization who feel that Heitmann is a pretty damn good player....MD said with dripping sarcasm.

Cheers.

The will to live starts to ebb when you read this thread. However, I must take issue with the poster, whoever it was, who argued that the current trialling of Baas and others at center (thus apparently taking snaps away from Heitmann) means a lack of confidence in Heit.

Regardless of my opinion of Heit, this just doesn't hold up as an argument in May. Perhaps they are checking to see who should back him up. Perhaps they have decided to dump Baas as a guard and are just trying to see if he can be used as backup center before they dump him.

Phone Solari and ask him!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
You guys can stick your head in the sand all you want. However, when week after week, writer after writer, and sportscaster after sportscasters make flattering statements about his play, at some point you have to abandon "the earth is square" philosophy.

Just admit you cannot fairly analyze his play, admit you have a bias against him, and move on. For myself, I'm just joining the rest of the civilized world in my assessment.

By the way, I'm sure MB has zero access to those in the organization who feel that Heitmann is a pretty damn good player....MD said with dripping sarcasm.

Cheers.

Listen, I'm not the one who called Heitmann a p***y.

Beerows did.

And, by your admittedly blind adherence to anything anyone writes about Heitmann (except us independents on the webzone), you did too.

Let's see, who is likely be less biased in their assessment of a player,

(a) those who consider what they've seen of his play and base their assessment on that, or

(b) those who apparently start off with some odd manlove for the guy, those who ignore his actual play over several years, those who rely on anything they can find that might be even a little flattering about the guy (while ignoring any criticism), and, those who angrily chastise anyone who might question, even in the slightest, Heitmann's play by making huge exaggerations about what they are actually saying?

Answer: a. (I'll give you the teacher's version of the test, with the answer included.)

So, "week after week," huh. Who wrote anything flattering about Heitmann's play last week? The week before? And the week before? The week before? Answer: No one. This is just more gross exaggeration and hyperbole. Aside from the most recent few lines from MB yesterday, where he called Heitmann a p***y (not exactly flattery), you're relying on stuff that's at least two years old.

MB might have access to the coaching staff and the other players, but you don't know if he's specifically talked to any of them about Heitmann and his play. You're just assuming that they'd say good stuff. Blindly making a huge leap of faith, and ignoring reality.

And you think we have our heads in the sand?

MB's recent few lines, quoted by you above, indicate that Heitmann is not assertive and lacks in aggression. "He's so unassuming." That's exactly what we've been saying--that he needs to step up, play with more of an attitude, be more aggressive, especially on important, short yardage downs.

If you'd pull your own head out of wherever it may be buried, actually pay attention to what we've been saying, and stop with the hysterical overstatements, maybe you'd recognize that we're not condemning Heitmann, we're simply pointing out that he may no longer be the best player on a very poor OL.

Cause the OL's not gonna be as bad as it was, hopefully, due to the infusion of new talent and new coaching. Capice? What part of that is "the earth is square" unreasonable? Answer: None of it.

Originally posted by English:
The will to live starts to ebb when you read this thread. However, I must take issue with the poster, whoever it was, who argued that the current trialling of Baas and others at center (thus apparently taking snaps away from Heitmann) means a lack of confidence in Heit.

Regardless of my opinion of Heit, this just doesn't hold up as an argument in May. Perhaps they are checking to see who should back him up. Perhaps they have decided to dump Baas as a guard and are just trying to see if he can be used as backup center before they dump him.

Phone Solari and ask him!

Sorry its that bad.

My point with the "trialing of Baas and Wragge at center" was perhaps poorly stated.

I attempted to say that if all the team was concerned about was a backup, then why would they take any snaps away from Heitmann? They wouldn't do so with someone like Willis, or VD, or Justin Smith. Backups for those guys try out with the other backups.

So when I hear that Baas is taking Heitmann's snaps at center with the first team, I have to ask why. It seems very unlikely that Baas will replace Heitmann, but he did so at the last OTAs. Is that a message to Heitmann?

It is early, but Solari's recent interview indicated that he wants to settle on a starting five asap. So perhaps the "trialing" of Baas had more importance than we know.

If I could, I would call Solari and ask him.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:
The will to live starts to ebb when you read this thread. However, I must take issue with the poster, whoever it was, who argued that the current trialling of Baas and others at center (thus apparently taking snaps away from Heitmann) means a lack of confidence in Heit.

Regardless of my opinion of Heit, this just doesn't hold up as an argument in May. Perhaps they are checking to see who should back him up. Perhaps they have decided to dump Baas as a guard and are just trying to see if he can be used as backup center before they dump him.

Phone Solari and ask him!

Sorry its that bad.

My point with the "trialing of Baas and Wragge at center" was perhaps poorly stated.

I attempted to say that if all the team was concerned about was a backup, then why would they take any snaps away from Heitmann? They wouldn't do so with someone like Willis, or VD, or Justin Smith. Backups for those guys try out with the other backups.

So when I hear that Baas is taking Heitmann's snaps at center with the first team, I have to ask why. It seems very unlikely that Baas will replace Heitmann, but he did so at the last OTAs. Is that a message to Heitmann?

It is early, but Solari's recent interview indicated that he wants to settle on a starting five asap. So perhaps the "trialing" of Baas had more importance than we know.

If I could, I would call Solari and ask him.

It was you was it, oldninerdude!

OK. I could be wrong. But I don't think that snaps in May mean anything. That was kind of my point, plus I wonder, as I implied, if the team are wondering what to do with Baas.

But unlike a whole bundle of posters round here, you and I are patient enough to wait and see how it pans out.

ps a bottle of IPA on it? Heitmann is our starter this season!

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
You guys can stick your head in the sand all you want. However, when week after week, writer after writer, and sportscaster after sportscasters make flattering statements about his play, at some point you have to abandon "the earth is square" philosophy.

Just admit you cannot fairly analyze his play, admit you have a bias against him, and move on. For myself, I'm just joining the rest of the civilized world in my assessment.

By the way, I'm sure MB has zero access to those in the organization who feel that Heitmann is a pretty damn good player....MD said with dripping sarcasm.

Cheers.

Listen, I'm not the one who called Heitmann a p***y.

Beerows did.

And, by your admittedly blind adherence to anything anyone writes about Heitmann (except us independents on the webzone), you did too.

Let's see, who is likely be less biased in their assessment of a player,

(a) those who consider what they've seen of his play and base their assessment on that, or

(b) those who apparently start off with some odd manlove for the guy, those who ignore his actual play over several years, those who rely on anything they can find that might be even a little flattering about the guy (while ignoring any criticism), and, those who angrily chastise anyone who might question, even in the slightest, Heitmann's play by making huge exaggerations about what they are actually saying?

Answer: a. (I'll give you the teacher's version of the test, with the answer included.)

So, "week after week," huh. Who wrote anything flattering about Heitmann's play last week? The week before? And the week before? The week before? Answer: No one. This is just more gross exaggeration and hyperbole. Aside from the most recent few lines from MB yesterday, where he called Heitmann a p***y (not exactly flattery), you're relying on stuff that's at least two years old.

MB might have access to the coaching staff and the other players, but you don't know if he's specifically talked to any of them about Heitmann and his play. You're just assuming that they'd say good stuff. Blindly making a huge leap of faith, and ignoring reality.

And you think we have our heads in the sand?

MB's recent few lines, quoted by you above, indicate that Heitmann is not assertive and lacks in aggression. "He's so unassuming." That's exactly what we've been saying--that he needs to step up, play with more of an attitude, be more aggressive, especially on important, short yardage downs.

If you'd pull your own head out of wherever it may be buried, actually pay attention to what we've been saying, and stop with the hysterical overstatements, maybe you'd recognize that we're not condemning Heitmann, we're simply pointing out that he may no longer be the best player on a very poor OL.

Cause the OL's not gonna be as bad as it was, hopefully, due to the infusion of new talent and new coaching. Capice? What part of that is "the earth is square" unreasonable? Answer: None of it.

You are a pretty bright guy, but this response was one of the stupidest responses I have ever heard. I hope you can get your emotions in check and backtrack.

You end your response with "we're not condemning Heitmann", but you start your response implying that he is a "p*ssy". How do you rectify these two comments. But, I digress......

Let's revisit MB's chat to see how your bias has blinded you so far that the English language is becoming incomprehensible to you. Here is the question and answer, once again:

Q:
Is there any chance David Baas could challenge Eric Heitmann for his job as the starting Center? Given Baas' record at Michigan and recognition he received as a Center there.

Friday May 28, 2010 12:42 Six-Ace-Deuce
12:43 MattB_49: Heitmann is one of the most underrated centers in the league. He's so unassuming. My joke is that if he starts a locker-room fistfight and the news gets picked up by ESPN and Pro Football Talk, he'll go to his first Pro Bowl. if the 49ers reach the playoffs, in fact, I definitely can see Heitmann going to Hawaii

How in God's green earth did you translate "unassuming" to being a "p*ssy"? You did read..... "the news gets picked up by ESPN and Pro Football Talk", which obviously does not question his toughness, but exposure on a national level. He is saying that Heitmann goes about his job quietly, and therefore....wait for the bell...is "one of the most underrated centers in the league". And, that if the Niners go to the playoff, he will get.....exposure. Any other interpretation is moronic, especially one that tries to imply that he is soft.

Please defend how you somehow came to the conclusion that MB was questioning his toughness, or pull back and admit that your comment was stupid. I'll give you a mulligan, and we can move on.