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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Your question was answered before you asked it. Again, "reading is fundamental". In regards to Frank Gore Jr and Brenden Rice, this thread isn't about them. It's about Shedeur Sanders, who I now think you have a "silly bias" against.

Didn't you predict Shadeur would get cut?

It wasn't really a prediction, per se. It was more of a desire, admittedly. My reason for that was, if the Brows were gonna go with 4 QB's then why not just cut him. He would have been better off being cut. (Given how this has played out I think he would have been better off going undrafted.) This was me leaning into the critics narrative. He isn't that good (according to the critics), he's a 5th round pick, he's 4th of the QB depth chart (at that time), and he was bad in the preseason finale. In any normal roster situation Shadeur would be cut and brought back on the PS if he cleared waivers. Would you agree with that?

For me, keeping 4 QB's on the active roster (which was widely reported that the Browns were going to do) would have effectively buried Shadeur on the roster and all but guaranteed that he'll never see the field. This would have done nothing but further fueled the conspiracy narrative (which I unapologetically believe) because, frankly, why are you keeping 4 QB's on the active roster if not to bury Shadeur. So the way I saw it, it would've been best to just cut him so truly QB needy team could pick him up and give him an honest chance to play. My bet is that he would have not cleared waivers, which many like myself believe that would've been the reason for carrying 4 QB's on the active roster. But since Pickett was traded it makes Shadeur QB3 with a real chance (likelihood) that he'd see the field this year.

Shadeur is really better than Dillon. And by Shadeur being QB3, on the Browns, with that brutal schedule, almost guarantees Shadeur will see the field at some point this season to show that he is better than Dillon. And this time he won't be sabotaged by Home Depot and Target workers.

Pickett traded

who said it's between Shadeur and Pickett?!?!?

THIS GUY

Now you've lost me. I challenge you to point to me where I said or implied that. As I said, "reading is fundamental", a particular challenge that I didn't expect from some here. Implying that I said this was between Shadeur and Pickett (wrapped in a question) is literally pulling something completely out of thin air. I can presume why that is, but I won't.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Aug 27, 2025 at 10:10 AM ]
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Now you've lost me. I challenge you to point to me where I said or implied that. As I said, "reading is fundamental", a particular challenge that I didn't expect from some here. Implying that I said this was between Shadeur and Pickett (wrapped in a question) is literally pulling something completely out of thin air. I can presume why that is, but I won't.

Reading is fundamental….

I said i said it was between Pickett and Shadeur on who they are keeping

"this guy" is referring to myself

i said Flacco and Gabriel are locks so it's Pickett vs Shadeur.
[ Edited by SunDevilNiner79 on Aug 27, 2025 at 12:13 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Funny, when reports were coming out about how bad Dillon Gabriel was looking in rookie cam, TC, and in practice I saw none of this energy against Shedeur. It was near radio silence. Kind of says a lot. Now, when Dillon was clearly game planned with a bunch of one-read quick throws, one read quick outs where half the field was schemed away for him with a much better O-line and supporting cast, and people just forget the horrible practices and camp he had. Yet Shedeur was given a horrible O-line yet a game plan that had a bunch of long developing plays. I say none of the one-read, quick out play calls that Dillon got. If anyone was watching this game with any objectivity you can't come away thinking that the gameplans were the same. But it's cool

So I tell you what. Since Shedeur Sanders is garbage as many here are implying then we should be seeing the Browns cut him, right? After all, he's just hype and not that good. So keeping this project isn't worth a roster spot. Can we all agree with that?

I'd assume they keep 3 QBs. I think Flacco and Gabriel are locks

I think it's between picket and sanders for last spot

Nope. Picket has been QB2 since they traded for him. They gave up a draft pick for him. They think way more of him that they do of Shedeur. According to even the Browns owner they really didn't want Shedeur. Thus, Shedeur has been QB4 no matter how things have looked in practice, camp, and the games. Today should give the Browns all the reason they need to cut him. If he clear waivers they can bring him back, if they and Shedeur want. That's how things go in the NFL. Because after all, he's just a 5th round a developmental QB. So cutting him should be the likely result because teams never keep 5th round developmental QB on the active roster. And why should they? Why keep a player on the active roster who likely won't see the field? That's not good roster management. The only way Shedeur sees the field is if the 3 QB's in front of him get injured. Only the 49ers suffered that kind of luck during the regular season.

So I fully expect the Browns to cut Shedeur Sanders.

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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Funny, when reports were coming out about how bad Dillon Gabriel was looking in rookie cam, TC, and in practice I saw none of this energy against Shedeur. It was near radio silence. Kind of says a lot. Now, when Dillon was clearly game planned with a bunch of one-read quick throws, one read quick outs where half the field was schemed away for him with a much better O-line and supporting cast, and people just forget the horrible practices and camp he had. Yet Shedeur was given a horrible O-line yet a game plan that had a bunch of long developing plays. I say none of the one-read, quick out play calls that Dillon got. If anyone was watching this game with any objectivity you can't come away thinking that the gameplans were the same. But it's cool

So I tell you what. Since Shedeur Sanders is garbage as many here are implying then we should be seeing the Browns cut him, right? After all, he's just hype and not that good. So keeping this project isn't worth a roster spot. Can we all agree with that?

I'd assume they keep 3 QBs. I think Flacco and Gabriel are locks

I think it's between picket and sanders for last spot

Nope. Picket has been QB2 since they traded for him. They gave up a draft pick for him. They think way more of him that they do of Shedeur. According to even the Browns owner they really didn't want Shedeur. Thus, Shedeur has been QB4 no matter how things have looked in practice, camp, and the games. Today should give the Browns all the reason they need to cut him. If he clear waivers they can bring him back, if they and Shedeur want. That's how things go in the NFL. Because after all, he's just a 5th round a developmental QB. So cutting him should be the likely result because teams never keep 5th round developmental QB on the active roster. And why should they? Why keep a player on the active roster who likely won't see the field? That's not good roster management. The only way Shedeur sees the field is if the 3 QB's in front of him get injured. Only the 49ers suffered that kind of luck during the regular season.

So I fully expect the Browns to cut Shedeur Sanders.

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Glad you referenced this. This was me leaning into the critics 5th round, QB4, and those who don't think Shedeur isn't that good, narrative. This wasn't so much of a prediction. Here, I'm saying: since he's actually not that good (according to many critics here), since he's just a 5th round developmental rookie QB (Kevin Stefanski's word) who's 4th on the depth chart at the time, and since teams never carry 4 QB's on the active roster, under normal roster circumstances this QB would be cut and brought back to the PS to further "develop". Would you agree with that?

My "prediction" really wasn't serious, but serious sarcasm. The only thing I was wrong on is the Browns thinking more about Pickett than Shedeur, so good call on Pickett vs Shadeur. Many people said that they'd trade Pickett. I just didn't think they would having given up a draft pick to get him before draft.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Glad you referenced this. This was me leaning into the critics 5th round, QB4, and those who don't think Shedeur isn't that good, narrative. This wasn't so much of a prediction. Here, I'm saying: since he's actually not that good (according to many critics here), since he's just a 5th round developmental rookie QB (Kevin Stefanski's word) who's 4th on the depth chart at the time, and since teams never carry 4 QB's on the active roster, under normal roster circumstances this QB would be cut and brought back to the PS to further "develop". Would you agree with that?

My "prediction" really wasn't serious, but serious sarcasm. The only thing I was wrong on is the Browns thinking more about Pickett than Shedeur, so good call on Pickett vs Shadeur. Many people said that they'd trade Pickett. I just didn't think they would having given up a draft pick to get him before draft.

Pickett sucks.

Shadeur has a low floor and high ceiling. It's perfect for him to sit a year and learn

i I don't know why that's looked down on as a conspiracy or bad. Mahomes sitting a year behind Alex Smith was huge in his development.
Lol, wait, so the browns are going to roster a guy (when roster spots are capped), intentionally making their team worse (at the expense of potential profit) AND pay a guy, just so that he won't have a chance to see the field? Not so that he wont be employed-they're employing him-but so that he wont see the field. That makes soooo much sense, boosted by the fact that they drafted him.

Then you mention his final game was sabotaged by target workers or whatever other analogy you used. You're right you know, except he wasn't foiled by his teammates, he was foiled by the target workers on the other side of the line. He was foiled by holding the ball for 5 seconds instead of hitting the open guy (which you claim, incorrectly, wasn't there) or by his running away from the pocket instead of stepping up into it (which you claim, incorrectly, wasn't there).

I think its obvious that they like Shedeur for his potential upside, but that they dont think hes ready to play right now. They trust Dillon as a day-1 backup more than they do Shedeur but they trust that, if they can develop him rather than prematurely destroy his on field confidence, they MIGHT have something in Shedeur.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Glad you referenced this. This was me leaning into the critics 5th round, QB4, and those who don't think Shedeur isn't that good, narrative. This wasn't so much of a prediction. Here, I'm saying: since he's actually not that good (according to many critics here), since he's just a 5th round developmental rookie QB (Kevin Stefanski's word) who's 4th on the depth chart at the time, and since teams never carry 4 QB's on the active roster, under normal roster circumstances this QB would be cut and brought back to the PS to further "develop". Would you agree with that?

My "prediction" really wasn't serious, but serious sarcasm. The only thing I was wrong on is the Browns thinking more about Pickett than Shedeur, so good call on Pickett vs Shadeur. Many people said that they'd trade Pickett. I just didn't think they would having given up a draft pick to get him before draft.

Pickett sucks.

Shadeur has a low floor and high ceiling. It's perfect for him to sit a year and learn

i I don't know why that's looked down on as a conspiracy or bad. Mahomes sitting a year behind Alex Smith was huge in his development.

I agree. Not all premium college QBs are considered as viable for the NFL, sometimes that perception is woeful off. Tom Brady was a highly successful college QB that was overlooked for a variety of reasons that could be made into the NFL's version of the movie Moneyball if they wanted to. Shadeur is polarizing only because of who his dad is. You can't blame a 20 year old for believing the hype when he's got his dad telling him so, his agent doing the same.

What I saw in the preseason was very hit and miss. He is escaping the pocket far too quickly and turning down throws he should make.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Aug 28, 2025 at 8:33 AM ]
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Lol, wait, so the browns are going to roster a guy (when roster spots are capped), intentionally making their team worse (at the expense of potential profit) AND pay a guy, just so that he won't have a chance to see the field? Not so that he wont be employed-they're employing him-but so that he wont see the field. That makes soooo much sense, boosted by the fact that they drafted him.

Then you mention his final game was sabotaged by target workers or whatever other analogy you used. You're right you know, except he wasn't foiled by his teammates, he was foiled by the target workers on the other side of the line. He was foiled by holding the ball for 5 seconds instead of hitting the open guy (which you claim, incorrectly, wasn't there) or by his running away from the pocket instead of stepping up into it (which you claim, incorrectly, wasn't there).

I think its obvious that they like Shedeur for his potential upside, but that they dont think hes ready to play right now. They trust Dillon as a day-1 backup more than they do Shedeur but they trust that, if they can develop him rather than prematurely destroy his on field confidence, they MIGHT have something in Shedeur.

The Browns have been looking for a franchise QB for decades . They have one in Shadeur apparently , but are in on the conspiracy to teach him a lesson .

I dont know why this is hard for me to believe .
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
The Browns have been looking for a franchise QB for decades . They have one in Shadeur apparently , but are in on the conspiracy to teach him a lesson .

I dont know why this is hard for me to believe .

Unless Gabriel or Shadeur show major improvement, Cleveland will likely be drafting a qb in 1st

every team wanting a franchise qb got very excited watching nuss
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
The Browns have been looking for a franchise QB for decades . They have one in Shadeur apparently , but are in on the conspiracy to teach him a lesson .

I dont know why this is hard for me to believe .

Unless Gabriel or Shadeur show major improvement, Cleveland will likely be drafting a qb in 1st

every team wanting a franchise qb got very excited watching nuss


this tweet has been giving LSU twitter a big boner
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
The Browns have been looking for a franchise QB for decades . They have one in Shadeur apparently , but are in on the conspiracy to teach him a lesson .

I dont know why this is hard for me to believe .

Unless Gabriel or Shadeur show major improvement, Cleveland will likely be drafting a qb in 1st

every team wanting a franchise qb got very excited watching nuss


this tweet has been giving LSU twitter a big boner

Love this stuff it's hilarious, he just made loads of checks, was super cerebral, everyone is drooling.

Result of the play 5 yards on 3rd & 12 and a punt!

Nussmeier is an OC's kid, of course he's smart, can he ball though? We'll see.
ESPN Cleveland with some hot takes.

Lmao the ravens were going to draft him but he told them he didn't want to be behind Jackson now he's qb3 on the browns 😂
Originally posted by Since07:
Lmao the ravens were going to draft him but he told them he didn't want to be behind Jackson now he's qb3 on the browns 😂

When directly asked if the story was true, Shedeur said he couldn't remember. Getting high on your family farts must cause memory loss.

Edit: I don't judge him too harshly for not just owning up to it. His only other option was to admit it and say that he has a better chance to develop in Cleveland.

I do hope it stops the accusations that he was somehow drafted by Cleveland as part of a plot to destroy his career. If he fails it is entirely on him.
[ Edited by Midbay on Sep 15, 2025 at 3:17 PM ]
Originally posted by floridaMan:
ESPN Cleveland with some hot takes.


Indeed. Why is he on the team? If he's not good enough to even run the scout team why hasn't he been cut?
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