Shedeur Sanders Anyone ?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Trey Lance went #3 overall, no longer a starter what does that say about the folks who valued him at #3 overall?

Drafting is a crap shoot, full of bias and collusion. Purdy was the last pick in the draft, now he's one of the highest paid players. Why not draft him in the first round?

The league seems to have felt threatened by Sanders, maybe because he's a brash young QB who came from a HBCU and made high level D1 football look bad? He was not evaluated on the up and up, but the NFL is big on collusion.

He made S1 look bad? One winning season?

no conference champs, no playoffs, no bowl wins

did he beat ranked opponents?

According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Trey Lance went #3 overall, no longer a starter what does that say about the folks who valued him at #3 overall?

Drafting is a crap shoot, full of bias and collusion. Purdy was the last pick in the draft, now he's one of the highest paid players. Why not draft him in the first round?

The league seems to have felt threatened by Sanders, maybe because he's a brash young QB who came from a HBCU and made high level D1 football look bad? He was not evaluated on the up and up, but the NFL is big on collusion.

He made S1 look bad? One winning season?

no conference champs, no playoffs, no bowl wins

did he beat ranked opponents?

According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

For the most part its true. Just like its also true for division 2 and division 3 teams. Sure there will always be a handful of guys the bigger Div 1 programs missed that went on to play at one of the HBCU, Div 2, or Div 3 schools that can run circles around most of the Div 1 athletes but its just a few.

Are you saying Sanders was colluded against in college football too? Because he had offers from many of the big time schools and only went to JSU because of his dad. He could have went anywhere he wanted.
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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol getting all personal, it's a simple question. But to be honest I don't care to really read through your post. Obviously skimming through this you seem to have some kind of biased towards Sanders. I would hope it's because you attended Colorado or are you lived there before because other than that it's silly.

I'm hardly taking this personal. This is intellectual back and forth, which I rather enjoy. I was simply addressing the redundancy of your question. I'll say this again, I am a fan of Shedeur because I was a bigger fan of his father who helped us win a SB. So yes, I do want to see him succeed. But it's kind of hard to do so when your employer really didn't want you in the first place. No, I've never lived in Colorado much less went to their school. But I think it's equally intellectually "silly" (your word) to imply that someone has to have some geographical tie in order to advocate that they be handled fairly. My comprehension stains to find the purpose of that assertion other than to find an excuse dismiss one's position, which is, well, intellectually lazy.

I don't see you advocating for Frank Gore Jr or even Brenden Rice. And with all that said you still didn't answer my question? Again it's just some silly biased you have with Sanders.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

Nobody said that. The bias against hbcu was based on typical talent there. Not D1 athletes choosing hbcu for practice

sanders would have been recruited to a power 4 school. He choose hbcu to play for his dad

coach Dillingham recruited sanders when he was in highschool. Part of the reason Deion loves Dillingham

how many transfers did Deion take from hbcu this year??

edit:

other than sanders and the #1 overall recruit in the country, how many Jackson state players made the nfl from Deion? How many transfers from Jackson state started for Colorado?

edit2: stop acting like the world is against sanders. It's the opposite. He's the son of a millionaire with access to all
the resources money can afford.

can you name 1 player that played all of highschool and college without being in 1 position battle because their dad guaranteed them
a start?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

Nobody said that. The bias against hbcu was based on typical talent there. Not D1 athletes choosing hbcu for practice

sanders would have been recruited to a power 4 school. He choose hbcu to play for his dad

coach Dillingham recruited sanders when he was in highschool. Part of the reason Deion loves Dillingham

how many transfers did Deion take from hbcu this year??

edit:

other than sanders and the #1 overall recruit in the country, how many Jackson state players made the nfl from Deion? How many transfers from Jackson state started for Colorado?

edit2: stop acting like the world is against sanders. It's the opposite. He's the son of a millionaire with access to all
the resources money can afford.

can you name 1 player that played all of highschool and college without being in 1 position battle because their dad guaranteed them
a start?

LOL

Yea, no one is against Sanders.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

Nobody said that. The bias against hbcu was based on typical talent there. Not D1 athletes choosing hbcu for practice

sanders would have been recruited to a power 4 school. He choose hbcu to play for his dad

coach Dillingham recruited sanders when he was in highschool. Part of the reason Deion loves Dillingham

how many transfers did Deion take from hbcu this year??

edit:

other than sanders and the #1 overall recruit in the country, how many Jackson state players made the nfl from Deion? How many transfers from Jackson state started for Colorado?

edit2: stop acting like the world is against sanders. It's the opposite. He's the son of a millionaire with access to all
the resources money can afford.

can you name 1 player that played all of highschool and college without being in 1 position battle because their dad guaranteed them
a start?

LOL

Yea, no one is against Sanders.

Couldn't answer a single question I posted lol

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
According to the D1 football gods, HBCU guys can't even play in the big time college football division. Sanders did great when you consider where he came from (Jackson State). He showed everyone that the backroom handshake deals and collusion at the higher levels of football has littered the evaluation process.

Nobody said that. The bias against hbcu was based on typical talent there. Not D1 athletes choosing hbcu for practice

sanders would have been recruited to a power 4 school. He choose hbcu to play for his dad

coach Dillingham recruited sanders when he was in highschool. Part of the reason Deion loves Dillingham

how many transfers did Deion take from hbcu this year??

edit:

other than sanders and the #1 overall recruit in the country, how many Jackson state players made the nfl from Deion? How many transfers from Jackson state started for Colorado?

edit2: stop acting like the world is against sanders. It's the opposite. He's the son of a millionaire with access to all
the resources money can afford.

can you name 1 player that played all of highschool and college without being in 1 position battle because their dad guaranteed them
a start?

LOL

Yea, no one is against Sanders.

Couldn't answer a single question I posted lol

I only answer questions that make sense.

Deon himself said that some of those kids at JSU should have gotten looks in the draft.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I only answer questions that make sense.

Deon himself said that some of those kids at JSU should have gotten looks in the draft.

Then name the ones that he took with him to Colorado and started

Hunter and Shadeur were top recruits who had offers to play D1

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I only answer questions that make sense.

Deon himself said that some of those kids at JSU should have gotten looks in the draft.

"should have gotten looks" of course he said that. The same coaches at the Div II or III say the same thing. But the NFL is mean and racist, they don't want the next Jerry Rice or Walter Payton. They only want them if they come from Div I right? Tha'ts your argument.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I only answer questions that make sense.

Deon himself said that some of those kids at JSU should have gotten looks in the draft.

"should have gotten looks" of course he said that. The same coaches at the Div II or III say the same thing. But the NFL is mean and racist, they don't want the next Jerry Rice or Walter Payton. They only want them if they come from Div I right? Tha'ts your argument.

Bro it's even simpler. If hbcu has so much talent, why isn't Deion recruiting it?

he recruits 2/3 of his roster to be transfers. Did not add ONE hbcu last cycle

edit: and I'm not a Deion hater. I bet on Colorado a lot when he first arrived in Colorado. I think his team should get 7 or 8 wins in a rebuild year.

but people go wayyyyy overboard on the love. Shilo was a mediocre college safety and was like 25.

Shadeur is a talented playmaker that hasn't learned to play organized football (ie hit the designed route on 3 step drop, step up in pocket)

id compare Deion to Cristobal (Miami) lm. Excellent, top 10 if not top 5 recruiters. But game management will always result in chokes

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol getting all personal, it's a simple question. But to be honest I don't care to really read through your post. Obviously skimming through this you seem to have some kind of biased towards Sanders. I would hope it's because you attended Colorado or are you lived there before because other than that it's silly.

I'm hardly taking this personal. This is intellectual back and forth, which I rather enjoy. I was simply addressing the redundancy of your question. I'll say this again, I am a fan of Shedeur because I was a bigger fan of his father who helped us win a SB. So yes, I do want to see him succeed. But it's kind of hard to do so when your employer really didn't want you in the first place. No, I've never lived in Colorado much less went to their school. But I think it's equally intellectually "silly" (your word) to imply that someone has to have some geographical tie in order to advocate that they be handled fairly. My comprehension stains to find the purpose of that assertion other than to find an excuse dismiss one's position, which is, well, intellectually lazy.

I don't see you advocating for Frank Gore Jr or even Brenden Rice. And with all that said you still didn't answer my question? Again it's just some silly biased you have with Sanders.

Your question was answered before you asked it. Again, "reading is fundamental". In regards to Frank Gore Jr and Brenden Rice, this thread isn't about them. It's about Shedeur Sanders, who I now think you have a "silly bias" against.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Your question was answered before you asked it. Again, "reading is fundamental". In regards to Frank Gore Jr and Brenden Rice, this thread isn't about them. It's about Shedeur Sanders, who I now think you have a "silly bias" against.

Didn't you predict Shadeur would get cut?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Your question was answered before you asked it. Again, "reading is fundamental". In regards to Frank Gore Jr and Brenden Rice, this thread isn't about them. It's about Shedeur Sanders, who I now think you have a "silly bias" against.

Didn't you predict Shadeur would get cut?

It wasn't really a prediction, per se. It was more of a desire, admittedly. My reason for that was, if the Brows were gonna go with 4 QB's then why not just cut him. He would have been better off being cut. (Given how this has played out I think he would have been better off going undrafted.) This was me leaning into the critics narrative. He isn't that good (according to the critics), he's a 5th round pick, he's 4th of the QB depth chart (at that time), and he was bad in the preseason finale. In any normal roster situation Shadeur would be cut and brought back on the PS if he cleared waivers. Would you agree with that?

For me, keeping 4 QB's on the active roster (which was widely reported that the Browns were going to do) would have effectively buried Shadeur on the roster and all but guaranteed that he'll never see the field. This would have done nothing but further fueled the conspiracy narrative (which I unapologetically believe) because, frankly, why are you keeping 4 QB's on the active roster if not to bury Shadeur. So the way I saw it, it would've been best to just cut him so truly QB needy team could pick him up and give him an honest chance to play. My bet is that he would have not cleared waivers, which many like myself believe that would've been the reason for carrying 4 QB's on the active roster. But since Pickett was traded it makes Shadeur QB3 with a real chance (likelihood) that he'd see the field this year.

Shadeur is really better than Dillon. And by Shadeur being QB3, on the Browns, with that brutal schedule, almost guarantees Shadeur will see the field at some point this season to show that he is better than Dillon. And this time he won't be sabotaged by Home Depot and Target workers.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Your question was answered before you asked it. Again, "reading is fundamental". In regards to Frank Gore Jr and Brenden Rice, this thread isn't about them. It's about Shedeur Sanders, who I now think you have a "silly bias" against.

Didn't you predict Shadeur would get cut?

It wasn't really a prediction, per se. It was more of a desire, admittedly. My reason for that was, if the Brows were gonna go with 4 QB's then why not just cut him. He would have been better off being cut. (Given how this has played out I think he would have been better off going undrafted.) This was me leaning into the critics narrative. He isn't that good (according to the critics), he's a 5th round pick, he's 4th of the QB depth chart (at that time), and he was bad in the preseason finale. In any normal roster situation Shadeur would be cut and brought back on the PS if he cleared waivers. Would you agree with that?

For me, keeping 4 QB's on the active roster (which was widely reported that the Browns were going to do) would have effectively buried Shadeur on the roster and all but guaranteed that he'll never see the field. This would have done nothing but further fueled the conspiracy narrative (which I unapologetically believe) because, frankly, why are you keeping 4 QB's on the active roster if not to bury Shadeur. So the way I saw it, it would've been best to just cut him so truly QB needy team could pick him up and give him an honest chance to play. My bet is that he would have not cleared waivers, which many like myself believe that would've been the reason for carrying 4 QB's on the active roster. But since Pickett was traded it makes Shadeur QB3 with a real chance (likelihood) that he'd see the field this year.

Shadeur is really better than Dillon. And by Shadeur being QB3, on the Browns, with that brutal schedule, almost guarantees Shadeur will see the field at some point this season to show that he is better than Dillon. And this time he won't be sabotaged by Home Depot and Target workers.

Pickett traded

who said it's between Shadeur and Pickett?!?!?

THIS GUY

cleveland will bomb, and they probably will be seeing what they have in the other QBs on roster other than flacco. that said, i don't see the WR talent on this roster to really have any QB do much. they open with jeudy, tillman and thrash. that's one of the worst wr rooms in the nfl. i do like mason graham and schwesinger, those are far more interesting rookies than sanders. those could be real building blocks for this franchise. cleveland has their own round 1 and jacksonvilles round 1, so that's potentially 2 early round 1 selections in a real QB draft next draft.