Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I am not trying to troll here but have an honest question. Is there a good qb in the NFL who was rated anywhere close to as low as Lance was coming out of high school? A guy like Josh Allen was top 200 overall so he had some pedigree. Mahomes was top 400. Lance was 2005.
We only have a 1 season sample of him against hog farmers and cat quest reps.
just trying to see if anyone has popped out of such obscurity to be a top level qb.

I don't know the answer to your question offhand. But it's funny you mention this because I also went through through high school rankings to see who was highly regarded. Here's a fun exercise: Look at 24/7's top rated high school prospects of all-time. The list is surprising.

I'm aware of those lists. We get a lot of them and play against the rest at Bama. Def some outliers and busts but recruiting rankings are pretty good considering the different competition levels around the country.

Yup, that's fair. It's just wild to see that so many of the highly-ranked high school players—although they may do well in college—don't make it in (or even to) the pros. It's really all a gamble.

It is really fun going through those lists and seeing some of the freaks who just never panned out. FSU had a bunch of guys like Fred Rouse and Jeff Luc who were monsters and just never developed. Miami too. Also shows which schools can really develop guys. Stanford, Alabama, OSU unless it's a qb lol

Originally posted by thl408:
Kyle went from having a 'type' of QB that lived inside the pocket and did a 180 to a QB that he can use to expand his run game to have elements of QB keepers. The only element missing from the 49er run game the past two seasons were the zone read concepts, and while Lance may not be asked to run the ball 10 times a game, the option to do that is now something that will be added to the playbook. This expands goal line packages and short yardage situations.

I agree, particularly with the goal line and short yardage situations. 4th and 1 inside the opponent's 50 also gets interesting. It would be great fun to watch an opposing DC panic if Lance comes out as the FG holder.

The zone-read scares me a bit because of the exposure though. Maybe we see a modified version that can use his speed and throwing ability? He has the speed on a bootleg to legitimately get to edge and cut upfield and the throwing ability to really stress out the linebackers charged with tracking him.

Lance feels like Kap 3.0:

Decision Making: Lance by a bunch
Work Ethic: Lance by bunch
Mobility: Lance by a bunch
Pocket Presence: Lance by a bit
Arm Strength: Kap by a bit
Leadership: Lance by a bit
Touch/Placement: Lance by a bit
Toughness: Even
Accuracy: Even
Durability: Even
Straightline Speed: Even

Kaep was phenomenal at times but his short-comings bit us in the ass more often than liked. Let's hope the first three traits above are worth the cost!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I am not trying to troll here but have an honest question. Is there a good qb in the NFL who was rated anywhere close to as low as Lance was coming out of high school? A guy like Josh Allen was top 200 overall so he had some pedigree. Mahomes was top 400. Lance was 2005.
We only have a 1 season sample of him against hog farmers and cat quest reps.
just trying to see if anyone has popped out of such obscurity to be a top level qb.

I don't know the answer to your question offhand. But it's funny you mention this because I also went through through high school rankings to see who was highly regarded. Here's a fun exercise: Look at 24/7's top rated high school prospects of all-time. The list is surprising.

I'm aware of those lists. We get a lot of them and play against the rest at Bama. Def some outliers and busts but recruiting rankings are pretty good considering the different competition levels around the country.

I do know that Herbert was only a 3 star prospect. Not sure where he ranked among QBs out of high school. The thing is kids mature at different rates and some guys are completely different when they're 20 than when they were 17. He's physically much sturdier than Lawrence, Wilson or Jones.

People dramatically undervalue how important the school you went to is for high school recruiting. But lets just call it how it is, if we are now talking about if he was recruited high enough coming out of high school to be considered in the pros....you just dont like the kid so there is no convo to be had.

I've watched several clips concerning TL and Shanahan and a few things come to mind:

I think the whole Kyle/Cousins type of QB beliefs can really be put to rest. His type of QB is the QB he feels can simply be the best player, period. It sure looks like Lance was the apple of his eye months ago, and Lynch and co. did whatever they could to ensure they got their guy. Ecstatic about that.

I also loved how John and Kyle just kept quiet and let the media run wild.....the more they stayed silent, the more the media spun more nonsense and basically admitted how little they actually know. Even worse was watching ex players....some guys who even worked with Shanahan...fall flat on their face with their takes. Good stuff.

Trey Lance the player. For all the 'boom or bust' beliefs about the guy, so much of that obviously depends on the situation he ends up in. He probably could not have it any better than he does with the 49ers and Shanahan, so I'm really looking forward to watching his progression. Trey Lance the guy. Completely impressed, and it's fairly obvious at what a leader he is. Everybody around him it seems, just gravitate to his presence. Can't help but think he's gonna fit in the minute he steps into that lockerroom.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Of course Kyle is cocky and arrogant but just like a ton of guys in this business.
And he said multiple times that he evolves his approach.
Just look to the WRs he drafted.
He saw that he made a big mistake with Pettis so he took Deebo and Aiyuk. Deebo specially is the tough mof this team needed.
And IIRC, the guy he wanted in 2012 was Russell Wilson and not Cousins. He ´s also on the record saying that he would have drafted Josh Allen in 2017.
That being said Trey Lance is a big leap of faith. For me Fields should have been the choice and Mac Jones had a better floor.
But if Kyle thinks he can help Lance reach his ceiling, let´s go. It´s a scary project but it´s exciting as hell.
The upside with this kid is absurd.

Agree with the bolded. Lance wasn't my #1 but I trust Kyle more than I like Fields. I see why Kyle loves Lance so I get it. I hope Kyle didn't fall in love with Lance the person more than Lance the quarterback, if that makes sense. There is some development that needs to take place before Lance is ready, and Lance came to the right team to allow for that to happen. I really hope there's a preseason so we get to see where he's currently at, and so he can start adjusting from FCS speed to NFL speed.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
Lance feels like Kap 3.0:

Decision Making: Lance by a bunch
Work Ethic: Lance by bunch
Mobility: Lance by a bunch
Pocket Presence: Lance by a bit
Arm Strength: Kap by a bit
Leadership: Lance by a bit
Touch/Placement: Lance by a bit
Toughness: Even
Accuracy: Even
Durability: Even
Straightline Speed: Even

Kaep was phenomenal at times but his short-comings bit us in the ass more often than liked. Let's hope the first three traits above are worth the cost!

Sure if ignore literally everything about how he actually plays.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
He was the worst qb on the league last year. And Foles won that super bowl lol.
Point taken though, he was inside coming out of North Dakota. Basically any team could've had him this off season though.

Nobody can take away how Foles played in that game and that stage, but denying the role Wentz played in winning that Super Bowl ring is pretty disingenuous. Considering how he's struggled to play well for long stretches of his career, there's no guarantee they're even in the playoffs with Foles starting the year at QB and definitely not guaranteed of a 1st round bye, which could have changed everything. There were legitimate discussions because of how unevenly Foles played to end the regular season of going with the 3rd string QB (Chase Daniels? Sudfield?) for the playoffs.

In regard to him being the worst QB in the league last year, that's hard to argue but when you're on the worst offense it's unlikely you're going to look good no matter what. I honestly think Tom Brady would've looked bad in that offense but he's way too smart to voluntarily go to an organization that so badly needs to strengthen both the offensive line and get better skill players especially at WR. The year before he carried a similar offense on his back to get 4 straight wins at the end of the year and make the playoffs. Subtract Ertz in 2020 and there's just nothing to work with.

We'll see what happens this year though. Wentz wouldn't be the first QB to get a career revival by just moving to a much better situation.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
Lance feels like Kap 3.0:

Decision Making: Lance by a bunch
Work Ethic: Lance by bunch
Mobility: Lance by a bunch
Pocket Presence: Lance by a bit
Arm Strength: Kap by a bit
Leadership: Lance by a bit
Touch/Placement: Lance by a bit
Toughness: Even
Accuracy: Even
Durability: Even
Straightline Speed: Even

Kaep was phenomenal at times but his short-comings bit us in the ass more often than liked. Let's hope the first three traits above are worth the cost!

Please no more of these.

They are totally different players aside from straightline speed.

Ahhh the day after...when people rush the board to pretend they have a highbrow educated argument against a player when all they are really doing is crying about their draft crush.

You know out of all the media guy, eisen just nailed it. Who is his sources lol.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by thl408:
Kyle went from having a 'type' of QB that lived inside the pocket and did a 180 to a QB that he can use to expand his run game to have elements of QB keepers. The only element missing from the 49er run game the past two seasons were the zone read concepts, and while Lance may not be asked to run the ball 10 times a game, the option to do that is now something that will be added to the playbook. This expands goal line packages and short yardage situations.

I agree, particularly with the goal line and short yardage situations. 4th and 1 inside the opponent's 50 also gets interesting. It would be great fun to watch an opposing DC panic if Lance comes out as the FG holder.

The zone-read scares me a bit because of the exposure though. Maybe we see a modified version that can use his speed and throwing ability? He has the speed on a bootleg to legitimately get to edge and cut upfield and the throwing ability to really stress out the linebackers charged with tracking him.

When it comes to Lance being a runner, he needs to get in his head to slide and not think he can truck LBs and safeties. Those FCS defenders look like high schoolers when they bounce off Lance. That's not happening anymore. Kyle spoke about the numbers in the run game so that assures me that Kyle will be adding those concepts to the playbook for Lance.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by thl408:
Kyle went from having a 'type' of QB that lived inside the pocket and did a 180 to a QB that he can use to expand his run game to have elements of QB keepers. The only element missing from the 49er run game the past two seasons were the zone read concepts, and while Lance may not be asked to run the ball 10 times a game, the option to do that is now something that will be added to the playbook. This expands goal line packages and short yardage situations.

I agree, particularly with the goal line and short yardage situations. 4th and 1 inside the opponent's 50 also gets interesting. It would be great fun to watch an opposing DC panic if Lance comes out as the FG holder.

The zone-read scares me a bit because of the exposure though. Maybe we see a modified version that can use his speed and throwing ability? He has the speed on a bootleg to legitimately get to edge and cut upfield and the throwing ability to really stress out the linebackers charged with tracking him.

When it comes to Lance being a runner, he needs to get in his head to slide and not think he can truck LBs and safeties. Those FCS defenders look like high schoolers when they bounce off Lance. That's not happening anymore. Kyle spoke about the numbers in the run game so that assures me that Kyle will be adding those concepts to the playbook for Lance.

that honestly was 1 highlight that i did NOT care for. like you're not doing that s**t in the NFL, bud. in fact i hope he never tries to. wont last long.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
You know out of all the media guy, eisen just nailed it. Who is his sources lol.

Did Eisen claim to have a source or was he openly speculating? I wonder because in the press conference Kyle clearly had a high level of disdain for anyone who claimed to have a "source".

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 49erminion:
Lance feels like Kap 3.0:

Decision Making: Lance by a bunch
Work Ethic: Lance by bunch
Mobility: Lance by a bunch
Pocket Presence: Lance by a bit
Arm Strength: Kap by a bit
Leadership: Lance by a bit
Touch/Placement: Lance by a bit
Toughness: Even
Accuracy: Even
Durability: Even
Straightline Speed: Even

Kaep was phenomenal at times but his short-comings bit us in the ass more often than liked. Let's hope the first three traits above are worth the cost!

Please no more of these.

They are totally different players aside from straightline speed.

Dual-threat, rocket arms, super fast, same build. Obviously both played in different offenses in college. Yes they are different players if my assessment with the first three traits are accurate.