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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

Lol this.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

Still glad that garbage was finally trashed.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

Lol this.


Haha. The enjoyment in it was knowing how much they hated it on here day after day.

Beyond that,...who cares. lol.
Originally posted by tankle104:
You're taking the opinions of like a bunch of guys on here and making it seem like everyone that doesn't think like you perspective wise, has all of the opinions combined.

i know I've said many times I didn't expect Lance to get traded, if he does, until sometime in camp when they know what darnold looks like and how Brock is.

I never said he's terrible and can't improve. Lol once again. You just keep saying stuff that I've never said.

if you want to be taken seriously, at least accuse specific people of things they've said. Lol you can't wrap up 20 guys random opinions and bunch everyone together. Lmao

Lance won't beat out Purdy. It just won't happen. Lance didn't even look good enough in minicamp to outshine darnold for Christ sake. But don't trip, he's going to be a superstar this year.

everyone knows he can get better, especially cause he's been bad - hence the trade value and how the team feels about him, that isn't in question. Just not everyone thinks he is going to be some superstar and never has. I was optimistic but it was never something I really felt like would happen.

If he ends up playing, good, I'll root for him. If he can beat out Brock, great, even better. Those are BIG it's. I wouldn't get your life on it.

im just tired of waiting around for two years of this guy to get ANY glimmer of or showing that he can be special. Especially now that we have a young kid who just did special things. The only knock is he got injured on a freak play, one that's more unlikely than what happened to Lance. Outside of that play, he's never missed a game career wise. I don't see what the injury concern is. Lance hasn't managed to stay healthy for two years straight, he's the one I'm worried that will get reinjured

I don't have the time to match up posters to things. You know I'm not making up anything that I said. If it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it.

And if you don't want to be lumped in with the extreme Trey bashers then don't join in with drama filled responses like claiming anyone said if Lance doesn't have all pros all around him it means he is on a terrible team.

Or make comments like the bolded above. This is the difference between you and me. I don't like to play with hypotheticals. I want to see how things play out before I make a judgement call.

I wasn't out on Jimmy until he proved his limitations time and time again and even then I wasn't eager to push him aside. Brock played great last year, I'm excited to see him come back fully healthy BUT we have seen a similar situation before with Jimmy. He looked amazing in 2017, went 5-0 and looked like we found our franchise QB. He then got hurt and suddenly we started seeing his limitations show up.

If you look at my posts here you will not find me bashing Brock in the least bit. I simply want the team to make a proper evaluation of the guys they have because getting it right is absolutely critical to our success as a franchise.

Facts are Brock is recovering from a serious injury to his throwing arm, an injury we haven' seen often to understand the recovery process very well. Am I going to put money on Trey winning QB1? No. Do I want to see an actual competition? Yes.

This is the simple fact you and others simply refuse to acknowledge for some reason. We have no idea how Brock will look after his injury. We don't have a great idea how Lance will look with the work he's put in this offseason or even how Darnold will look as he works to learn the offense.

Shanahan said the competition doesn't start til training camp. Thankfully we get media access to each practice and many are open to the public for "non biased" opinions. We will see soon enough where the guys stand.

EVERY 49ers fan should want a legit competition.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

Lol this.


Haha. The enjoyment in it was knowing how much they hated it on here day after day.

Beyond that,...who cares. lol.

I'm still living rent free a year later. It indeed did its job.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yeah, and that seems to be the consensus of those opposed to playing Trey. There's another side though, where throwing away draft capital like that means you don't keep your job.

I'm no opposed to playing Trey, I'm just not starting him unless he starts playing at a high enough level to score more than the 14 points a game or so he's averaged. I honestly don't care one bit who starts on a personal level. If Trey shows he's better, then start him, he just hasn't looked very good in games. I am not for trading him this year unless they really like Allen and we get some offer we can't refuse because Sam Darnold is trash. I don't think Trey is beyond help myself, he's just green and had s**t luck with injuries. I want to see if a healthy off season brings marked improvement. I admit that I take what Kyle and John say about Trey as truthful, I don't think they've soured on him, they just don't know if he's ready to play at the level that Brock already has. I'm hoping that we have enough games in hand this year to get Trey in there for some mop up duty to get him some playing time.

Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.
Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

Way too many penalties in those games. I seen where Trey converts a first down a few times and it gets called back due to a holding penalty.
Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

Oh, so I guess this is another step in the ongoing narrative where, when Lance is the QB and the team plays badly, or he's hurt, that those are legitimate reasons for the team to lose, but when that same metric was applied to Jimmy they were just "excuses". This place is so hypocritical.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

Oh, so I guess this is another step in the ongoing narrative where, when Lance is the QB and the team plays badly, or he's hurt, that those are legitimate reasons for the team to lose, but when that same metric was applied to Jimmy they were just "excuses". This place is so hypocritical.

Too bad we don't have a farm team to send players down to gain experience and refine skills.
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Too bad we don't have a farm team to send players down to gain experience and refine skills.

I've argued the NFL needs a real minors league my entire life. Especially for QB growth.
[ Edited by Cisco0623 on Jul 14, 2023 at 8:08 AM ]
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

Oh, so I guess this is another step in the ongoing narrative where, when Lance is the QB and the team plays badly, or he's hurt, that those are legitimate reasons for the team to lose, but when that same metric was applied to Jimmy they were just "excuses". This place is so hypocritical.

I was making those excuses guy so don't come at me with that garbage.

However a rookie 21 year old with limited experience should not be held to the same standard as a seasoned NFL vet. And feel free to dig up the game threads from Jimmy's bad rain games and see how many people killed him for not playing great in them.

In fact you can go back to when Jimmy first arrived here, even in 2018 when he didn't start off as well and see how many people were trashing him and I guarantee you the so called "excuses" as you call them were rampant.

And another thing you don't seem to grasp and the point many here are trying to make - given that Trey's sample size is incredibly small then when someone comments on how the offense doesn't average over 14 points then having to look closely as to why is important. You're welcome to just dismiss context with each game and just pretend Lance played like crap and hurt the team all on his own but don't expect everyone else to do the same.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

Absolutely! Don't listen to the narrative Shanny and John are spinning at the moment, just watch what they do with signings and who gets to play when... they brought in two strong veteran backup QBs, they already had 2 QBs on the roster, they are only keeping 3 qbs on the roster, one has to go and it's not going to be Brock Purdy... I personally thought the Brandon Allen signing was done with the conviction that TL was not going to be on the team by opening day.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

Absolutely! Don't listen to the narrative Shanny and John are spinning at the moment, just watch what they do with signings and who gets to play when... they brought in two strong veteran backup QBs, they already had 2 QBs on the roster, they are only keeping 3 qbs on the roster, one has to go and it's not going to be Brock Purdy... I personally thought the Brandon Allen signing was done with the conviction that TL was not going to be on the team by opening day.

Yes you've been totally rational and reasonable in this thread and we should take what you say seriously.

They signed Darnold and Allen while Brock Purdy hasn't been cleared for contact. Do you need math help to understand how many QBs that gives the 49ers for camp?

Also hilarious how you ran in here with BS rumors about Trey being traded but crickets about the rumor that Darnold may be traded...

https://wisportsheroics.com/nfl-green-bay-packers-sam-darnold-49ers-trade/
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

Oh, so I guess this is another step in the ongoing narrative where, when Lance is the QB and the team plays badly, or he's hurt, that those are legitimate reasons for the team to lose, but when that same metric was applied to Jimmy they were just "excuses". This place is so hypocritical.


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