Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
When I'm talking about evidence you once analyzed yourself and are now disregarding, I'm referencing your confidence in betting against the idea that Sam was here to compete.

You offered that bet in argument against people who were saying the evidence was pointing to a lack of confidence in Trey's reliability short term and that the team was making moves to give them flexibility in the event their starter wasn't able to go. I'm wondering if you're willing to reevaluate now that we have an answer. It doesn't seem like it. Did the other side of that argument just get lucky in an unknowable situation? Absolutely not.

FWIW I don't give a s**t about practice reports, player comments, or especially comments from local media including the low end guys like Grant Cohn etc… at least to the extent that I'd accept them without corroborating evidence. It wasn't hard to believe reports that Trey had an up and down camp and struggled not because it was said by x or y, but because it was consistent with the team's actions and his play on the field that we actually saw.

Take right now for example and the growing stream of comments from beat writers and select players that say the team has never been more confident in Trey and that Trey has significantly improved. Is that true? Could be. Is it a company line in order to shine up an asset? Could be. When will we have more information? When we see it on the field, or when the team makes a roster move or sets a depth chart etc. For me, for now, it's just noise.

Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

It's more than this offseason. It goes back to last season as well. That's how some were able to accurately predict the moves they made so far this year.

Generally I don't understand how people think coaches and players are going to tell the truth publicly, or believe things like the team is leak proof etc. They are going to craft messages to benefit the team, and they'll leak information they don't want to acknowledge publicly for what would be a variety of reasons.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

Lol this.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

He was. So were you. 5 golden, Steve, random, you all were gloaty and happy. I'll digress though. Jimmy's gone this is the Trey thread where the same anger and jealousy happens. It's time to move on but since you asked and I answered.

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

He was. So were you. 5 golden, Steve, random, you all were gloaty and happy. I'll digress though. Jimmy's gone this is the Trey thread where the same anger and jealousy happens. It's time to move on but since you asked and I answered.

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Ya absolute bs from the same s**t posters

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

So now we're evaluating Trey for the Seahawks game where he came in cold and even close to his finger injury?

Ok...in that game he was 9/18 157 yards 2 TD 0 INT and 41 yards rushing and a 2 pt conversion. Let's also pretend that Kittle was totally healthy and didn't end up missing the next 4 weeks. Let's also ignore that the great and powerful Jimmy in the same game went for 14/23 165 yards 1 TD and 1 INT with 0 rushing yards.

Cardinals where Mitchell was playing with busted up ribs after sitting out the Seattle game and got 7 less carries than the QB.

Let's pretend that Aiyuk wasn't in the doghouse the first half of the 2021 season and was nowhere the player he was last season.

Let's forget that Mitchell got hurt early in the Bears game, OL played like dog s**t on that field and the team committed insane amount of penalties.

The point was also not that Trey played with scrubs, but that he didn't play with the talent that Purdy got to play with. How many drops did the guys have in Chicago? Trent Williams got called out by a 5th round rookie DE by the Bears. A guy who had 1.5 sacks and several pressures that day and then didn't get another sack or qb hit all year after that. 3 new starters on the interior of the OL. You think by the time Brock got to play they were able to grow as players?

And point to one person who said "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff"

You either have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to your own team or you have no problem playing dumb to try to trash a young QB. It's almost like it's a personal offense to some of you to give Lance a little credit or context to why he may not have been playing with the same level of squad as Purdy.

Nowhere in my original post say had they swapped positions Purdy is terrible and Lance is playing at an MVP level. I'm simply saying we don't know what either would've looked like in that situation and it's critical the team tries to bridge that gap in their evaluation to understand how much better Trey can be or how much worse Brock can be.

Lance came into that seahawks game tied at halftime. Didn't do much until garbage time when the game was already over, other than the wide open TD to Deebo. (You know the type of play that nobody, including you, wants to give Fields credit for) look at what Purdy did coming cold off the bench against the dolphins, a much tougher team than the seashawks. Didn't fold and look for excuses, just got the job done. So save the excuses with this one.

once again, acting like Deebo, Juice, and Aiyuk, and Kyle are just chopped liver.

How am I suppose to take you seriously when, you either have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to your own team or you have no problem playing dumb to try and prop up Lance?

Purdy came into the Dolphins game week 4 of his rookie season? He break his index finger few weeks prior? Jimmy G a seasoned vet who the game was designed for managed to score 7 points in the first half but you wanna put them losing on Lance? Shocking…

I have never given Trey credit for hitting Deebo in that Seahawks game. He was wide open, I expect him to make that throw bad finger or not. Unlike you I don't have a hard time giving guys credit when they deserve it and when they don't.

If you need to have it explained why rain game aren't a great indicator of QB ability then it explains a lot.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

It's more than this offseason. It goes back to last season as well. That's how some were able to accurately predict the moves they made so far this year.

Generally I don't understand how people think coaches and players are going to tell the truth publicly, or believe things like the team is leak proof etc. They are going to craft messages to benefit the team, and they'll leak information they don't want to acknowledge publicly for what would be a variety of reasons.

I think 95%+ of what players/coaches say in a conference us manufactured. Like you gonna get up there and be like "well my teammates really aren't look too good. I'm concerned. I don't feel confident in their ability right now". Lol it's why every year kittle says everyone looks amazing and having an amazing camp.

i mean not all leaks are reputable but typically when the more well known guys are saying stuff, there is some smoke there. Like you said, teams leak stuff on purpose sometimes and sometimes people just hear things.

they rarely just flat out say stuff directly, they try to manufacture it in a way that's best for the team.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

He was. So were you. 5 golden, Steve, random, you all were gloaty and happy. I'll digress though. Jimmy's gone this is the Trey thread where the same anger and jealousy happens. It's time to move on but since you asked and I answered.

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Ya absolute bs from the same s**t posters

I knew Jimmy wasn't the answer b4 the KC SB game but when we lost that game i disappeared from anything football related completely for 4 months,...lol.

Haha. They don't get that I can like Jimmy and like their Jimmy tears over nothing more than falsehoods just the same. They're not mutually exclusive.

You go in the OLine thread, the silly Injury thread where we cant simply get updates on Injuries,...and the entertainment's all the same.

Would be nice to at least kinda stay on the topic of football, but we have all of these tears to dry up b4 that happens.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

It's more than this offseason. It goes back to last season as well. That's how some were able to accurately predict the moves they made so far this year.

Generally I don't understand how people think coaches and players are going to tell the truth publicly, or believe things like the team is leak proof etc. They are going to craft messages to benefit the team, and they'll leak information they don't want to acknowledge publicly for what would be a variety of reasons.

The issue is you guys think what you want to and frame up the narrative to suit that. Some of us prefer to live with facts and not hypothetical scenarios or speculation.

Do we need a reminder on how Trey was going to be traded before the draft? Then during the draft? Now it's after the draft.

We have training camp coming up soon. We will see what happens. Fact is whether 4 starts for Trey or Brock's 8 that is not enough of a sample size to know for sure on who each guy is as a QB or where they will be in time.

This is a critical decision for the 49ers. Either Brock, Lance or neither will be the long term franchise QB for this team. Everyone here should want to see both guys compete on the same field with the same players.

I'm not rooting against Brock. I'm not rooting against Trey. I'm not even rooting against Sam(though if he ends up being the best of the group it will not be as good for the team $ wise)

What I don't get are people who are brushing Lance aside like he's Zach Wilson or something. The mental gymnastics that go on in this thread any time someone brings up the fact that Trey's losses had a lot of failures across the team and didn't have two players who were MAJOR contributors for Brock is crazy.

What's best for the team is to see Trey out there with those guys. Perfect world has Brock out there running the same plays with those guys for a proper comparison.

There are expectations people should have when it comes to certain situations/players but it seems like logic and reason is in short supply. Lance being so inexperienced and coming out with a busted finger and missing key players and we just assume he's terrible and cannot improve, same people saying Darnold just needs better coaching and talent around him to show out.

It's hilariously dumb but you're grown men. You do you. Just don't be shocked when others aren't buying your trash takes or calling out the hypocrisy in which players gets context and which gets an excuse.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

He was. So were you. 5 golden, Steve, random, you all were gloaty and happy. I'll digress though. Jimmy's gone this is the Trey thread where the same anger and jealousy happens. It's time to move on but since you asked and I answered.

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Furlough man,...no offense to either, but when you feel the need to depend on our resident conspiracy theorist to "get one in",....it's Gold because it shows the desperation.

I checked the thread and I don't see a guy that's hoping that we lose.





Maybe the OP is mixing up "gleeful we lost an NFCCG" with "gleeful we drafted our QB's replacement"...? Doesn't add up.

Moar tears over nothing tho. Let's keep it going.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
To me, it wasn't we necessarily signed a QB. It was the value of the contract (same as lances, with playing time) but more importantly, splitting reps. That's the part that is the most telling to me, you don't take reps from Lance if you're sold/confident in him.

Or how about the fact that he signed here period. Is it reasonable to think a fringe starter/quality backup willingly signed on Day 1 of free agency to be a QB3 with an opportunity to play only if two players ahead of him can't physically go?

That's why his contract was incentivized the way it was. The guy had a f**king choice too, lol.

Yeah, i never understood that either. Darnold could of went to another program and maybe start, but def QB2.

I do get aspect that his career is at a critical point and he may of wanted to go to a contender with great talent and coaching - because he will be a better qb from being here regardless of if he plays. It's just very unusual.

i honestly just never expected the team to take any first team reps away Lance, as long as Purdy was out. So like I said, that to me, is very telling of the current state of Lance in the building. Kind of embarrassing unfortunately.

im really hoping that Lance comes out hot AF and snatches darnolds snaps and get QB2 solidified for him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Idk how people don't read the moves of the team - those are the most telling. So far it's been an entire off season of moves that indicate their current feelings about Trey in the short term.

doesn't mean that it can't all change by him having a strong camp, Of course it can, but it's obvious the team has done more to protect itself at QB than just injuries. You're going to tell me that we couldn't of used that $5M to Darnold better? We could of easily signed a brandon allen type guy for 1/5 the cost and put that money elsewhere.

some of the moves have been to protect from injures and some are because of performance expectations from the position.

It's more than this offseason. It goes back to last season as well. That's how some were able to accurately predict the moves they made so far this year.

Generally I don't understand how people think coaches and players are going to tell the truth publicly, or believe things like the team is leak proof etc. They are going to craft messages to benefit the team, and they'll leak information they don't want to acknowledge publicly for what would be a variety of reasons.

The issue is you guys think what you want to and frame up the narrative to suit that. Some of us prefer to live with facts and not hypothetical scenarios or speculation.

Do we need a reminder on how Trey was going to be traded before the draft? Then during the draft? Now it's after the draft.

We have training camp coming up soon. We will see what happens. Fact is whether 4 starts for Trey or Brock's 8 that is not enough of a sample size to know for sure on who each guy is as a QB or where they will be in time.

This is a critical decision for the 49ers. Either Brock, Lance or neither will be the long term franchise QB for this team. Everyone here should want to see both guys compete on the same field with the same players.

I'm not rooting against Brock. I'm not rooting against Trey. I'm not even rooting against Sam(though if he ends up being the best of the group it will not be as good for the team $ wise)

What I don't get are people who are brushing Lance aside like he's Zach Wilson or something. The mental gymnastics that go on in this thread any time someone brings up the fact that Trey's losses had a lot of failures across the team and didn't have two players who were MAJOR contributors for Brock is crazy.

What's best for the team is to see Trey out there with those guys. Perfect world has Brock out there running the same plays with those guys for a proper comparison.

There are expectations people should have when it comes to certain situations/players but it seems like logic and reason is in short supply. Lance being so inexperienced and coming out with a busted finger and missing key players and we just assume he's terrible and cannot improve, same people saying Darnold just needs better coaching and talent around him to show out.

It's hilariously dumb but you're grown men. You do you. Just don't be shocked when others aren't buying your trash takes or calling out the hypocrisy in which players gets context and which gets an excuse.

You're taking the opinions of like a bunch of guys on here and making it seem like everyone that doesn't think like you perspective wise, has all of the opinions combined.

i know I've said many times I didn't expect Lance to get traded, if he does, until sometime in camp when they know what darnold looks like and how Brock is.

I never said he's terrible and can't improve. Lol once again. You just keep saying stuff that I've never said.

if you want to be taken seriously, at least accuse specific people of things they've said. Lol you can't wrap up 20 guys random opinions and bunch everyone together. Lmao

Lance won't beat out Purdy. It just won't happen. Lance didn't even look good enough in minicamp to outshine darnold for Christ sake. But don't trip, he's going to be a superstar this year.

everyone knows he can get better, especially cause he's been bad - hence the trade value and how the team feels about him, that isn't in question. Just not everyone thinks he is going to be some superstar and never has. I was optimistic but it was never something I really felt like would happen.

If he ends up playing, good, I'll root for him. If he can beat out Brock, great, even better. Those are BIG it's. I wouldn't get your life on it.

im just tired of waiting around for two years of this guy to get ANY glimmer of or showing that he can be special. Especially now that we have a young kid who just did special things. The only knock is he got injured on a freak play, one that's more unlikely than what happened to Lance. Outside of that play, he's never missed a game career wise. I don't see what the injury concern is. Lance hasn't managed to stay healthy for two years straight, he's the one I'm worried that will get reinjured

Originally posted by tankle104:
im just tired of waiting around for two years of this guy to get ANY glimmer of or showing that he can be special.

If a guy is riding pine 1 season and injured the next, why are you waiting instead of simply following the rest of the team? I mean if you truly are tired of this, there are solutions: Follow the guys that actually play.

Very weird to be resolute that we have our starting QB (Purdy), yet still camped out here in this thread "waiting" for Lance. Only 1 guy's gonna play at a time. Are you sure that this is your real motive?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yeah, and that seems to be the consensus of those opposed to playing Trey. There's another side though, where throwing away draft capital like that means you don't keep your job.

I'm no opposed to playing Trey, I'm just not starting him unless he starts playing at a high enough level to score more than the 14 points a game or so he's averaged. I honestly don't care one bit who starts on a personal level. If Trey shows he's better, then start him, he just hasn't looked very good in games. I am not for trading him this year unless they really like Allen and we get some offer we can't refuse because Sam Darnold is trash. I don't think Trey is beyond help myself, he's just green and had s**t luck with injuries. I want to see if a healthy off season brings marked improvement. I admit that I take what Kyle and John say about Trey as truthful, I don't think they've soured on him, they just don't know if he's ready to play at the level that Brock already has. I'm hoping that we have enough games in hand this year to get Trey in there for some mop up duty to get him some playing time.