Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
Our point was people were gloating about it, THE DAY OF THE GAME and right after the loss. It's not that hard to understand. Moving on.

People were gloating after week 1 last year about Trey. Still are.

Originally posted by genus49:
What if Darnold "The greatest thrower of the football the 49ers have ever seen" demonstrates he's a better option than Purdy?

Or is that not possible in your book?

Play him. Pretty simple.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
What if Darnold "The greatest thrower of the football the 49ers have ever seen" demonstrates he's a better option than Purdy?

Or is that not possible in your book?

Play him. Pretty simple.

Doesn't seem as simple with Trey apparently since you quickly ran in here to point out his competition with Darnold.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be injured until week 8 to give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Who?

Take a look at the Jimmy and NFCCG thread.

some know who I'm talking about. I'll just leave it at that.

That's a long ass thread. You obviously know who and have link, post it.

You don't remember STWY every morning at 4 am Eastern?

You mean his countdown to Jimmy being gone in the offseason? What does that have to do with someone supposedly happy we lost to the Rams or someone actually saying they wish Purdy stays injured?

He was. So were you. 5 golden, Steve, random, you all were gloaty and happy. I'll digress though. Jimmy's gone this is the Trey thread where the same anger and jealousy happens. It's time to move on but since you asked and I answered.

Since you guys are having short-term memory issues, I'm reposting these discussions from YESTERDAY. No one said that people were happy the Niners lost or rooting against the Niners. We said that people wanted Jimmy to fail and then gloated about it after the NFCCG. I posted proof of THAT. Don't try and backpedal and change the argument now.

Originally posted by genus49:
Doesn't seem as simple with Trey apparently since you quickly ran in here to point out his competition with Darnold.

This makes zero actual sense. Darnold's first step is also his competition with Trey.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Our point was people were gloating about it, THE DAY OF THE GAME and right after the loss. It's not that hard to understand. Moving on.

People were gloating after week 1 last year about Trey. Still are.

Yes we know, which is why Jimmy got brought up. Weird that it's okay to do it to Jimmy, but not Trey. NARRATIVE.

And as I keep saying, I had an issue with it regarding Trey as well, and spent 2 months in timeout because of defending him too harshly. But as someone pointed out yesterday, Trey really wasn't and isn't worthy of any benefit of the doubt because he's proven nothing. Jimmy and Purdy had/have both been successful, so they do deserve benefit of the doubt. Again, strange that they don't get that from some, but Trey does. NARRATIVE.

Originally posted by thl408:
Brock would have to fall flat on his face during camp for Trey to overtake him this offseason, provided both are healthy. The game film that Brock put down in 2022 is more than anything Lance can do during training camp or preseason. The team should be very patient with Brock - he's a young buck and has lots of time. Absolutely no need to rush him back.

Which is why I'm starting to think Trey Lance will get the week one start.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SD49er:
What does Trey have to accomplish in training camp and preseason for him to overtake Purdy? Can he overtake Purdy based on training camp and preseason alone? If not, should the 49ers be cautious with Purdy and hold him out for the first few games even if he is technically able to return so that Trey can start and play with the players you reference so there is an apples to apples comparison? If so, how many games should Trey get and what does he have to show to take Purdy's job?

These are real questions. I am not a Trey hater. I am just trying to understand what it will take for Trey to overtake Purdy.

I'd say it starts with demonstrating he's a better option than Darnold first.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Doesn't seem as simple with Trey apparently since you quickly ran in here to point out his competition with Darnold.

This makes zero actual sense. Darnold's first step is also his competition with Trey.

Oh it doesn't? SD asked me a question about what Trey has to accomplish in training camp to overtake Purdy. Darnold wasn't mentioned.

You ran in to answer a question that wasn't directed at you by claiming he has to show he's a better option than Darnold first and essentially didn't answer the question.

If you ran in here and said "Brock and Trey both have to show they're better than Darnold" or "Don't rule out Darnold as being the best of the QB room" then you'd have a point.

49ers said Brock has a leg up on the starting job. They never claimed after Brock Trey and Sam are on the same footing. So your comment was just another shot at Trey, didn't address the question that was even brought up.

SD tried to bring in some good discussion in Trey Lance's thread and you took it right back to bagging on the kid.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Since you guys are having short-term memory issues, I'm reposting these discussions from YESTERDAY. No one said that people were happy the Niners lost or rooting against the Niners. We said that people wanted Jimmy to fail and then gloated about it after the NFCCG. I posted proof of THAT. Don't try and backpedal and change the argument now.

Once again this is not accurate.

Nobody wanted Jimmy to fail considering it likely meant the team loses a playoff game. We lost so obviously people took their shots.

It's no different than Falcons fans blaming their SB collapse on Kyle Shanahan since he was leaving to take our job vs blaming their MVP QB who choked and made critical mistakes or their defensive minded HC that saw his team blow a 28-3 lead. You think those Falcons fans were rooting for Shanahan to fail knowing he was leaving? No, they lost the game and found the easiest scapegoat to take their frustrations out on.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Since you guys are having short-term memory issues, I'm reposting these discussions from YESTERDAY. No one said that people were happy the Niners lost or rooting against the Niners. We said that people wanted Jimmy to fail and then gloated about it after the NFCCG. I posted proof of THAT. Don't try and backpedal and change the argument now.

Once again this is not accurate.

Nobody wanted Jimmy to fail considering it likely meant the team loses a playoff game. We lost so obviously people took their shots.

It's no different than Falcons fans blaming their SB collapse on Kyle Shanahan since he was leaving to take our job vs blaming their MVP QB who choked and made critical mistakes or their defensive minded HC that saw his team blow a 28-3 lead. You think those Falcons fans were rooting for Shanahan to fail knowing he was leaving? No, they lost the game and found the easiest scapegoat to take their frustrations out on.

Again, multiple people openly said they wanted Jimmy to fail so that Kyle would move on from him, but they still wanted the Niners to somehow win. Lol yeah okay. It was their veiled attempt to make it seem as if they were still rooting for the Niners. Trying to deny the illogical hate that he received is ridiculous. Yes, Trey got it too. It's pathetic regardless of who it is. Let's just stop pretending that EVERY poster here and every Niners fan is ALWAYS rooting for the team to win no matter what. What an absurd assumption. People follow the team and players for all sorts of reasons, and thus, root for and against the team for all sorts of reasons. It's not that hard.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:
Brock would have to fall flat on his face during camp for Trey to overtake him this offseason, provided both are healthy. The game film that Brock put down in 2022 is more than anything Lance can do during training camp or preseason. The team should be very patient with Brock - he's a young buck and has lots of time. Absolutely no need to rush him back.

Which is why I'm starting to think Trey Lance will get the week one start.

If this happens and Trey lights it up, the Webzone will explode. Stans will lose their minds.

How cool would it be to have two young stud QBs?

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh it doesn't? SD asked me a question about what Trey has to accomplish in training camp to overtake Purdy. Darnold wasn't mentioned.

You ran in to answer a question that wasn't directed at you by claiming he has to show he's a better option than Darnold first and essentially didn't answer the question.

If you ran in here and said "Brock and Trey both have to show they're better than Darnold" or "Don't rule out Darnold as being the best of the QB room" then you'd have a point.

49ers said Brock has a leg up on the starting job. They never claimed after Brock Trey and Sam are on the same footing. So your comment was just another shot at Trey, didn't address the question that was even brought up.

SD tried to bring in some good discussion in Trey Lance's thread and you took it right back to bagging on the kid.

I was pointing out that it's not simply a competition between Purdy and Lance considering Darnold wasn't mentioned at all in his post. Before we entertain ideas like purposefully holding out Purdy to get a look at Lance, Lance is going to have to show he's a better option than Darnold. The same is obviously true for Darnold. Before Darnold gets considered as a starter he will need to win a competition against Lance. In my opinion this should go without saying.

I simply answered your question in regards to Darnold. If either Lance or Darnold wins the competition between each other and demonstrates they are a better option than Purdy, that's when they'll play. Pointing out that Lance is in a competition with Darnold isn't 'bagging on the kid'. I didn't take any shot at him. You are seriously ridiculous.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh it doesn't? SD asked me a question about what Trey has to accomplish in training camp to overtake Purdy. Darnold wasn't mentioned.

You ran in to answer a question that wasn't directed at you by claiming he has to show he's a better option than Darnold first and essentially didn't answer the question.

If you ran in here and said "Brock and Trey both have to show they're better than Darnold" or "Don't rule out Darnold as being the best of the QB room" then you'd have a point.

49ers said Brock has a leg up on the starting job. They never claimed after Brock Trey and Sam are on the same footing. So your comment was just another shot at Trey, didn't address the question that was even brought up.

SD tried to bring in some good discussion in Trey Lance's thread and you took it right back to bagging on the kid.

I was pointing out that it's not simply a competition between Purdy and Lance considering Darnold wasn't mentioned at all in his post. Before we entertain ideas like purposefully holding out Purdy to get a look at Lance, Lance is going to have to show he's a better option than Darnold. The same is obviously true for Darnold. Before Darnold gets considered as a starter he will need to win a competition against Lance. In my opinion this should go without saying.

I simply answered your question in regards to Darnold. If either Lance or Darnold wins the competition between each other and demonstrates they are a better option than Purdy, that's when they'll play. Pointing out that Lance is in a competition with Darnold isn't 'bagging on the kid'. I didn't take any shot at him. You are seriously ridiculous.

Question was what does Trey have to show to beat out Brock. Darnold has nothing to do with that question.

If Trey beats out Brock...he's beating out Darnold. Your response is not much different than earlier discussion when I brought up that we haven't been able to see Trey play with CMC and Kittle and people came in taking that and turning it into "oh I guess unless Trey has all pros all around him we can't evaluate him properly"

The ability of people here to disregard things and move the goalposts to push their narratives is elite level

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Since you guys are having short-term memory issues, I'm reposting these discussions from YESTERDAY. No one said that people were happy the Niners lost or rooting against the Niners. We said that people wanted Jimmy to fail and then gloated about it after the NFCCG. I posted proof of THAT. Don't try and backpedal and change the argument now.

Once again this is not accurate.

Nobody wanted Jimmy to fail considering it likely meant the team loses a playoff game. We lost so obviously people took their shots.

It's no different than Falcons fans blaming their SB collapse on Kyle Shanahan since he was leaving to take our job vs blaming their MVP QB who choked and made critical mistakes or their defensive minded HC that saw his team blow a 28-3 lead. You think those Falcons fans were rooting for Shanahan to fail knowing he was leaving? No, they lost the game and found the easiest scapegoat to take their frustrations out on.

Again, multiple people openly said they wanted Jimmy to fail so that Kyle would move on from him, but they still wanted the Niners to somehow win. Lol yeah okay. It was their veiled attempt to make it seem as if they were still rooting for the Niners. Trying to deny the illogical hate that he received is ridiculous. Yes, Trey got it too. It's pathetic regardless of who it is. Let's just stop pretending that EVERY poster here and every Niners fan is ALWAYS rooting for the team to win no matter what. What an absurd assumption. People follow the team and players for all sorts of reasons, and thus, root for and against the team for all sorts of reasons. It's not that hard.

Once again you're overlooking the proven commodity situation. Jimmy was beloved by most when he came here. I think most people lost it with him during the SB loss. I was in here still defending him. But eventually his limitations were on display repeatedly and it was either hope for a perfect situation or try and improve the position. Even heading into that draft I was hoping we would use the pick to build the team up and go QB to develop in the later rounds. I was even fine with Mac Jones at 12 because he seemed like a Jimmy like player who would be cheaper, younger and with maybe better ability to throw it deep.

Once we moved on to 3 it was clear the team wanted to improve the position and didn't think they were getting enough from Jimmy. You have a hard time understanding the difference between a proven guy who had lots of opportunity to show the team he's their guy vs someone who hasn't had that chance or even close to it.

They should not get the same treatment as far as expectations.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:
Brock would have to fall flat on his face during camp for Trey to overtake him this offseason, provided both are healthy. The game film that Brock put down in 2022 is more than anything Lance can do during training camp or preseason. The team should be very patient with Brock - he's a young buck and has lots of time. Absolutely no need to rush him back.

Which is why I'm starting to think Trey Lance will get the week one start.

If this happens and Trey lights it up, the Webzone will explode. Stans will lose their minds.

How cool would it be to have two young stud QBs?

It's very possible, but I assume they'll do something to get Trey Lance on teams radars to drum up a trade or determine if they'll pick up his 5th year option.