Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Martz take, here is part of the nuance ppl may have missed, see the bolded:

The addition of veteran signal-caller Sam Darnold might complicate things, however, but a healthy competition in camp could be exactly what Lance needs to re-establish himself as the team's starter.
And, in Martz's eyes, there's no ruling that out.
"I just think he needs to be in longer," Martz said. "I think it's unfair to him, at this point, to say that he can't play -- but he's a long ways away. ...
"If he stays [in San Francisco] or wherever he goes, he's got to up the ante a little bit in terms of, you've got to be more invested in trying to learn what's going on out here."

ppl in their minds interpreted it as he's a bust take, that's not what the man said or is saying, it's a he needs a lot of work take; he has offseason tho and what is offseason for? other than work / improvement..

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-qb-trey-lance-long-ways-away-starting-mike-martz-believes

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What does the 2021 playoffs have to do with Justin Fields or Trey Lance?

It has to do with a poster not being consistent in how he grades QBs. It's only excuses for Trey.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

Lynch just making sure fire is still lit at full blast under Trey's arse, until Purdy gets back on the practice field.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

Usually is…a s**t ton of deflection, flip flopping and little actual football nuance.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

i can't imagine bringing up a certain week of football, and then complaining when ppl share their thoughts on the game I brought up

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

i can't imagine bringing up a certain week of football, and then complaining when ppl share their thoughts on the game I brought up

When you keep sharing the same thoughts OVER AND OVER AND OVER and they aren't consistent with the standard you have used in the past to grade other QBs (Or even your newest favorite 2.8 QB rating QB) people will take that as not being intellectually honest.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Yeah and Purdy dots ppl. So perhaps he puts it on Kroft, rather than leading him like he's Usain Bolt. Judging Purdy from what I saw of him, we probably score more than 10 points.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Everyone else saw a historic start by a rookie, NY saw nothing special.

LOL

Brock is miles ahead of Trey in development.

I saw a QB that played well under pressure (mostly) and could run the offense. He could extend plays and that's something we never saw with Jimmy.

As the season progress. I saw Brock's internal clock in the pocket slow down. I saw him holding onto balls to long. I saw some throws that should have been INT that weren't. Overall stuff that happens with a rookie QB.

What was historic? The TD to INT ratio, correct? Judging from his film do you think that's something sustainable?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
When you keep sharing the same thoughts OVER AND OVER AND OVER and they aren't consistent with the standard you have used in the past to grade other QBs (Or even your newest favorite 2.8 QB rating QB) people will take that as not being intellectually honest.

[
Put Treystans on suicide watch.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah and Purdy dots ppl. So perhaps he puts it on Kroft, rather than leading him like he's Usain Bolt. Judging Purdy from what I saw of him, we probably score more than 10 points.

I thought the narrative was Purdy needed the 12 weeks to become the guy he became and Jimmy saved the season. Now Purdy could've walked in week 1 and been better than both guys all year?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
I know you saw my post talking about Trent freaking Williams play in week 1 earlier.

I know you skipped it because it's hard to ignore a simple fact that he didn't play well that game. Whole OL played like crap.

You keep laughing and pointing to Justin Fields and the Bears playing in the same conditions...on their home field. Weather like that is a talent eliminator and clearly if you watch the game the 49ers were struggling with their footing much more than the Bears.

Explain to me how a 5th round rookie for the Bears has a monster game against all of our talent and Trent freaking Williams and then disappears the rest of the season, much like the Bears did.

Almost like that week 1 game was a complete aberration.

Nope...just Trey Lance stinking it up apparently.

we are going in circles but I'm not gonna sit here and blow smoke about week 1 like it was some impressive display from TL.. he stunk that game.. it's 1 game who cares, JG had clunkers, pretty sure every 49er QB has..

we don't need to make stuff up to paint a picture of week 1 as some Picasso masterpiece, or some unwinnable situation cuz of all the excuses..
TL himself said he didn't play well that day or up to standard, and he needs to get better / play better, he does

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If ppl mention the weather from week 1 I will talk about that game and share my thoughts on it

TL and JF both played that day

they are both QBs in the same draft class, so there will be career comps between all those guys, particularly on the guys we passed on..

it's like Alex Smith / Aaron Rodgers.. those guys are forever linked for 49er fans

Still can't admit Trent freaking Williams and all the other guys who were supposed to put Trey on their back had a rough week 1 game huh?

And you putting "it's 1 game, who cares" is also hilarious when you're basing the bulk of your assessment on the kid from that game and choosing to bury your head in the sand acting like the rest of the team didn't stink and stink worse given their usual level of play.

Let's keep this argument going a few more days 👍🏻👍🏻