Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
Blah blah blah. Still in here spewing your "QB makes the OL" B.S. That's annually disproven so no need to rehash that esp. when our OL is nowhere near that come playoff time anyways.

The closest anyone has come to that myth is Burrow and he lost too.

Carry on though. If you want to say an upper level QB helps an upper level OL and vice versa modestly, I'll buy it. It helps. Hell, it might even end up being the difference.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait so the 1# OL in the league had Winston top 5 in sacks? The year before Brady showed up it was all about how they needed to get upgrades. Jensen was not some elite stud. Smith was looked at as a overpaid LT. Cappa was never a pro-bowler or some elite guard. Marpet was the only true elite guy on that OL.

it was significant to the point where they were near the top of the sack/hit list all the way near the bottom with Brady. 2nd lowest TTT in the league yet most 20+ yard attempts lol. Yeah that has nothing to do with the QB 😂

wait since when is 2.76 TTT high? Jimmy G was 2.67 lol. Kirk was 2.76 Matt Ryan was 2.77.

yes I agree you can only go so far without one or the other. That was NEVER my debate with you. It was the value a great QB brings to improving everything including the OL and the misconception that guard play is some thing where you need elite talent to be successful.

Inherited #1 my ass lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait so the 1# OL in the league had Winston top 5 in sacks? The year before Brady showed up it was all about how they needed to get upgrades. Jensen was not some elite stud. Smith was looked at as a overpaid LT. Cappa was never a pro-bowler or some elite guard. Marpet was the only true elite guy on that OL.

it was significant to the point where they were near the top of the sack/hit list all the way near the bottom with Brady. 2nd lowest TTT in the league yet most 20+ yard attempts lol. Yeah that has nothing to do with the QB 😂

wait since when is 2.76 TTT high? Jimmy G was 2.67 lol. Kirk was 2.76 Matt Ryan was 2.77.

yes I agree you can only go so far without one or the other. That was NEVER my debate with you. It was the value a great QB brings to improving everything including the OL and the misconception that guard play is some thing where you need elite talent to be successful.

Inherited #1 my ass lol

Straight up lie

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
all i see is proof that good QBs make the OL better

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Blah blah blah. Still in here spewing your "QB makes the OL" B.S. That's annually disproven so no need to rehash that esp. when our OL is nowhere near that come playoff time anyways.

The closest anyone has come to that myth is Burrow and he lost too.

Carry on though. If you want to say an upper level QB helps an upper level OL and vice versa modestly, I'll buy it. It helps. Hell, it might even end up being the difference.

And you're spewing that the QB doesn't help the OL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
While the rams were tied for #1 last year in PBWR, the bucs were 17th in 2020 and the chiefs were 14th the year before that. While it certainly helps having a top QB and top PP, I don't think it is an end all be all to winning a SB. I couldn't seem to find those rankings any further back than 2019 but it would be interesting to see where the other SB winning teams ranked over the past 2 decades.

It's not the end-all, be-all. But it certainly gives you the best chance. I can't find a better combo yet.

Also, keep in mind the volume of attempts for those teams too.

I would like to see a true corralation between the two though. When its crunch time and its 3rd and medium-long is what I would focus on the most, not the volume of attempts.

I know, it's so frustrating given how few quality metrics there are out there. And to a previous conversation, both a QB and OL can play pretty poor (Rams) for 3 full quarters and then suddenly turn it on and run block and pass protect to perfection and hit every big throw and win but their "overall" grade would be pretty low.

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Thanks! So from what i can understand to the
excerpt you posted that seems to be from a power ranking from 2021 though it does mention that in 2020 they were pre season ranked at 3, which I think a lot of it has to do with the addition of wirfs because their 19 o line the one that Brady inherited wasn't considered the top notch unit it's considered today

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait so the 1# OL in the league had Winston top 5 in sacks? The year before Brady showed up it was all about how they needed to get upgrades. Jensen was not some elite stud. Smith was looked at as a overpaid LT. Cappa was never a pro-bowler or some elite guard. Marpet was the only true elite guy on that OL.

it was significant to the point where they were near the top of the sack/hit list all the way near the bottom with Brady. 2nd lowest TTT in the league yet most 20+ yard attempts lol. Yeah that has nothing to do with the QB 😂

wait since when is 2.76 TTT high? Jimmy G was 2.67 lol. Kirk was 2.76 Matt Ryan was 2.77.

yes I agree you can only go so far without one or the other. That was NEVER my debate with you. It was the value a great QB brings to improving everything including the OL and the misconception that guard play is some thing where you need elite talent to be successful.

Inherited #1 my ass lol

Straight up lie

i'm sure we can find all the evidence in the OL thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Thanks! So from what i can understand to the
excerpt you posted that seems to be from a power ranking from 2021 though it does mention that in 2020 they were pre season ranked at 3, which I think a lot of it has to do with the addition of wirfs because their 19 o line the one that Brady inherited wasn't considered the top notch unit it's considered today

17th ranked PBWR in 2019 according to ESPN. Have NC put up his famous QB hit list he loves posting from 2019….bet he won't.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
While the rams were tied for #1 last year in PBWR, the bucs were 17th in 2020 and the chiefs were 14th the year before that. While it certainly helps having a top QB and top PP, I don't think it is an end all be all to winning a SB. I couldn't seem to find those rankings any further back than 2019 but it would be interesting to see where the other SB winning teams ranked over the past 2 decades.

It's not the end-all, be-all. But it certainly gives you the best chance. I can't find a better combo yet.

Also, keep in mind the volume of attempts for those teams too.

I would like to see a true corralation between the two though. When its crunch time and its 3rd and medium-long is what I would focus on the most, not the volume of attempts.

I know, it's so frustrating given how few quality metrics there are out there. And to a previous conversation, both a QB and OL can play pretty poor (Rams) for 3 full quarters and then suddenly turn it on and run block and pass protect to perfection and hit every big throw and win but their "overall" grade would be pretty low.

We all agree that an upper tier O-line is important to the success of the team. My question is this, if we go all in on the O-line, what position group are you proposing we downgrade? Due to the salary limits placed on teams it is impossible to have every position group at 'top shelf' level. So where do we downgrade in order to upgrade the O-line?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Your inability (or choice not) to read is really quite remarkable. Scary actually.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh now you're moving to PBWR? Just stop. Sad.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. The sharks. Show me the proof! Proof provided.

*ignore *liar! *WZ tantrum

Can't have objective conversations with folks like that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. The sharks. Show me the proof! Proof provided.

*ignore *liar! *WZ tantrum

Can't have objective conversations with folks like that.

There's nothing objective with you and this topic. You've proven that over and over