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Originally posted by NCommand:
^ pretty good tantrum right here. Please keep backtracking and moving the goal posts again after getting proven wrong again for the millionth time on this topic.
You need both. Best chance.
Originally posted by NCommand:
If you actually READ the evidence…
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh now you're moving to PBWR? Just stop. Sad.
Lol that's rich coming from you and using PFF all of a sudden….never mind the constant s**tting on PFF from you for years regarding the OL. NOW it matters. You're such a hypocrite.
and FWIW YOU used PBWR all the time. Not it doesn't fit your narrative so you s**t on that. Pathetic
Originally posted by NCommand:
Your tirades are always a classic WZ staple (Mac Jones).
Moving on…to Trey Lance.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh now you're moving to PBWR? Just stop. Sad.
Lol that's rich coming from you and using PFF all of a sudden….never mind the constant s**tting on PFF from you for years regarding the OL. NOW it matters. You're such a hypocrite.
and FWIW YOU used PBWR all the time. Not it doesn't fit your narrative so you s**t on that. Pathetic
We should be free to use whatever stats are out there that track player and team rankings to make an argument. Trying to restrict any of that which can help clarify a bigger picture is bs.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We should be free to use whatever stats are out there that track player and team rankings to make an argument. Trying to restrict any of that which can help clarify a bigger picture is bs.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh now you're moving to PBWR? Just stop. Sad.
Lol that's rich coming from you and using PFF all of a sudden….never mind the constant s**tting on PFF from you for years regarding the OL. NOW it matters. You're such a hypocrite.
and FWIW YOU used PBWR all the time. Not it doesn't fit your narrative so you s**t on that. Pathetic
We should be free to use whatever stats are out there that track player and team rankings to make an argument. Trying to restrict any of that which can help clarify a bigger picture is bs.
The topic was unit rankings prior to upper QB's joining the team. That was provided.
if you want to talk just pass protection, no worries but that wasn't the original topic. Plus that's best for the OL thread. Guilty too.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh now you're moving to PBWR? Just stop. Sad.
Lol that's rich coming from you and using PFF all of a sudden….never mind the constant s**tting on PFF from you for years regarding the OL. NOW it matters. You're such a hypocrite.
and FWIW YOU used PBWR all the time. Not it doesn't fit your narrative so you s**t on that. Pathetic
We should be free to use whatever stats are out there that track player and team rankings to make an argument. Trying to restrict any of that which can help clarify a bigger picture is bs.
The topic was unit rankings prior to upper QB's joining the team. That was provided.
if you want to talk just pass protection, no worries but that wasn't the original topic. Plus that's best for the OL thread. Guilty too.
Fair enough. I actually wanted to push this convo into the oline thread but got side tracked.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
Montana being able to prolong the play gives it an element of being out of structure. The primary on the play, on rhythm, was for Soloman. I give it to you that they practiced it. But the ability to extend the play and throw off platform, that's the type of athleticism and ability that coaches like to have from this generation of QBs.
Amazing he doesn't know that lol
Teams practice scramble drills, it's a thing. So even when mobile QBs take off and "run around", there is still some organization amidst being out of structure. Same thing with "The Catch". They rehearsed what to do if the situation arose where the primary target wasn't there and Joe would start approaching the sideline. I shouldn't have used the term "run around" because it made it seem as though the players had no idea what to do and got lucky.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
Montana being able to prolong the play gives it an element of being out of structure. The primary on the play, on rhythm, was for Soloman. I give it to you that they practiced it. But the ability to extend the play and throw off platform, that's the type of athleticism and ability that coaches like to have from this generation of QBs.
Amazing he doesn't know that lol
Teams practice scramble drills, it's a thing. So even when mobile QBs take off and "run around", there is still some organization amidst being out of structure. Same thing with "The Catch". They rehearsed what to do if the situation arose where the primary target wasn't there and Joe would start approaching the sideline. I shouldn't have used the term "run around" because it made it seem as though the players had no idea what to do and got lucky.
It was a very poor example of what we're discussing. And you used a QB who very much embodied what I'm a proponent of, and that's solid fundamentals and passing from the pocket. Yes Joe and Steve could both move and make plays, but that is WAY different than this nonsense that Mahomes and Co. are doing today. It looks great, but is very hard to sustain for long stretches, a whole season, a Super Bowl run. If the majority of teams end up going this route, then statistically speaking yes we'll see more of it in the playoffs and Super Bowl. But it will only take one Brady/Manning type to get the right coach and they will destroy this crap. Cool highlights though.
Long story short - Trey mechanics in college >>>>>>>>>> Trey mechanics in the NFL (so far).
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Since we used preseason rankings for TB and PFF. Here were their rankings the past 3 years heading into the season…
2019-SF 15th (TB 24th)
2020-8th overall (TB 13th)
2021-9th (TB 5th with a yr of Brady)
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He also lead game winning drives. He can overcome a INT Jimmy not a chance. I'll take a gunslinger like Stafford/Favre all day over the game managers like Jimmy.
Yes you're right having the worst 4th QR rating in Super History didn't matter. Having more INTs than TDs and overall the worst 4th QR rating in all of his playoff games combined didn't affect "blowing leads" late in games.
We lost that SB for a bunch of reasons, ONE major reason was because of the QB play...who if he did his job correctly late in games, wouldn't have to depend on the pass rush.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:Expecting the Defense to shut out a team in the playoffs is tough enough.. expecting them to shut out a team in the 4th with the offense giving the defense no rest is impossible
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He also lead game winning drives. He can overcome a INT Jimmy not a chance. I'll take a gunslinger like Stafford/Favre all day over the game managers like Jimmy.
Yes you're right having the worst 4th QR rating in Super History didn't matter. Having more INTs than TDs and overall the worst 4th QR rating in all of his playoff games combined didn't affect "blowing leads" late in games.
We lost that SB for a bunch of reasons, ONE major reason was because of the QB play...who if he did his job correctly late in games, wouldn't have to depend on the pass rush.
I'd say the defensive collapse late in the game was the single biggest factor, followed by our offensive line getting bulldozed, then qb play. Bottom line, it ended up being a team effort, like football is most of the time.
