Originally posted by tjd808185:
The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.
I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.
This team is not in the mix lol. Momentum for what? You're still starting basically a rookie QB in 2022 that sat on the bench and didn't develop...so people will just be pissed next yr vs this yr and for what? MAYBE a wild card game.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
QB class of 2021 basic stats. I only counted Trey's start since his other appearances could skew the numbers so much
Just a quick look tells me none of them are tearing up the league. With the exception of Jones they're all close on completion % and rating. Fields has played more than Lance but they really limit the number of throws and runs for him. I'm surprised he only has 59 yards considering the way he ran in college. Jones looks like what people were expecting. The most ready to play now but not very explosive. He also has the best HC and a good staff. Zack Wilson is the victim of a bad roster and rookie coaching staff. Same with Lawrence.
Mac Jones really is the most ready. At least for right now. Just as they thought.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Eric Davis said the exact same thing about how a veteran would view the permanent move to Trey this early and NY85 called his take stupid. LOL
staley and spikes said they would go with trey. Even ex 49ers are split.
I'd take Staley's opinion here over Spikes or Davis.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
OK so he was pretty good by year 2. Star by year 3. Justin Herbert is a super star by year 2.
This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. It's wobblers that are inaccurate. Those guys don't throw like that.
How about we give him time to develop? Instead of over analyzing everything after one game of football?.
He can develop on the bench. After all we can't tank cuz we don't have any picks. Just take the QB power plays out of the offense unless we're facing Butler College.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.
I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.
This team is not in the mix lol. Momentum for what? You're still starting basically a rookie QB in 2022 that sat on the bench and didn't develop...so people will just be pissed next yr vs this yr and for what? MAYBE a wild card game.
Well, then you can have fun rooting another 11 months for potential to get to a grand total of 30 months. I for one, am not ok with that.
Rewatched all his plays a few times now, and I'm thinking all the criticism of his accuracy and touch are way overblown at least going by the Cards game tape. He was routinely hitting his receivers on out routes/outside the numbers throws right where he needed to. And was particularly impressive when those were tight windows. Specifically the completion to Sanu for a first down, and the Aiyuk throw where he hit him on the outside when the defender was sticky on him on the inside. The deep outside incompletions looked like he was either trying to throw it away, or try to draw a PI. You see Rodgers/Wilson/Mahomes try those all the time.
Where he needs to work on his accuracy are those middle of the field throws that Jimmy thrives on eg slant routes. I think Trey is trying too hard to throw over the defenders and it leads to sailing the ball. Jimmy gets away with this due to his super quick release leading to defenders not having enough time to try to bat the ball. Trey needs to work on creating passing lanes when throwing over the middle to compensate for not having a quick release. That being said, his release is average, all the talk of it being super loopy and slow is also overblown.
As far as touch goes, he showed it and I'm not sure why people keep harping on it. He hit a couple to Juice in the flat, and a screen to Deebo that required a good amount of touch, and he was pretty routine on those.
All in all he's on his way. Just needs to work on creating throwing lanes to hit those middle of the field throws, so move better in the pocket. And also needs to continue to improve on his reads. So far not bad here but always room for improvement.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Now tell me out Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They can play really well year 1 and are stars by year 2. So you want to take Mahomes out of it. Take him out.
This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. He's so confused on his reads. He has no idea what's going on.
Allen completed 52% of his passes, threw an average of 170 ypg and had 10 TD passes to 12 picks as a rookie. He was averaging 8 rushes a game and had 639 yards on the ground and 8 TDs. And FWIW Allen was at 58% completion % in year 2 and still wasn't a star, last year his 3rd season was when he began to look like a star.
You should probably know when to fold em, this ain't it bruh.
OK so he was pretty good by year 2. Star by year 3. Justin Herbert is a super star by year 2.
This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. It's wobblers that are inaccurate. Those guys don't throw like that.
No, he still had struggles in year 2, especially against good defenses.
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Rewatched all his plays a few times now, and I'm thinking all the criticism of his accuracy and touch are way overblown at least going by the Cards game tape. He was routinely hitting his receivers on out routes/outside the numbers throws right where he needed to. And was particularly impressive when those were tight windows. Specifically the completion to Sanu for a first down, and the Aiyuk throw where he hit him on the outside when the defender was sticky on him on the inside. The deep outside incompletions looked like he was either trying to throw it away, or try to draw a PI. You see Rodgers/Wilson/Mahomes try those all the time.
Where he needs to work on his accuracy are those middle of the field throws that Jimmy thrives on eg slant routes. I think Trey is trying too hard to throw over the defenders and it leads to sailing the ball. Jimmy gets away with this due to his super quick release leading to defenders not having enough time to try to bat the ball. Trey needs to work on creating passing lanes when throwing over the middle to compensate for not having a quick release. That being said, his release is average, all the talk of it being super loopy and slow is also overblown.
As far as touch goes, he showed it and I'm not sure why people keep harping on it. He hit a couple to Juice in the flat, and a screen to Deebo that required a good amount of touch, and he was pretty routine on those.
All in all he's on his way. Just needs to work on creating throwing lanes to hit those middle of the field throws, so move better in the pocket. And also needs to continue to improve on his reads. So far not bad here but always room for improvement.
If I'm rewatching this one, I'm rewatching how our defense did the best job by far all year on Kyler Murray, who is in fact an MVP candidate. Shame we wasted that effort with only one TD on a toss play to our WR.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
If we continue to lose with JG, then I would be perfectly fine with moving to Lance and let the kid takes his lumps. How many times have I said it but you keep skimming over it like I'm digging a foxhole or something. You fight to make the playoffs until you're eliminated. Until that point - you keep fighting on and you go with who gives you the best chance to win. Don't know why this is such a crazy idea. If we get eliminated from the playoffs - sure, go ahead and start Lance, you got nothing to lose. Let the kid go play and see what he can do.
All of that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. This is my thought on it, though, and was curious how you see it. If we were to keep Lance in, then by seasons end I feel like he would give us a better chance at making a run in the playoffs. It's looking more and more like we're not winning the division. I think we have a decent shot at a wild card with Jimmy or Lance. So why not give Lance as much experience as possible between now and then? Regardless of how it ends, next year Lance would be able to take over and we'd be a better team from week 1. If he doesn't take over until next year, I feel like we will be in the same spot we're in right now.
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Rewatched all his plays a few times now, and I'm thinking all the criticism of his accuracy and touch are way overblown at least going by the Cards game tape. He was routinely hitting his receivers on out routes/outside the numbers throws right where he needed to. And was particularly impressive when those were tight windows. Specifically the completion to Sanu for a first down, and the Aiyuk throw where he hit him on the outside when the defender was sticky on him on the inside. The deep outside incompletions looked like he was either trying to throw it away, or try to draw a PI. You see Rodgers/Wilson/Mahomes try those all the time.
Where he needs to work on his accuracy are those middle of the field throws that Jimmy thrives on eg slant routes. I think Trey is trying too hard to throw over the defenders and it leads to sailing the ball. Jimmy gets away with this due to his super quick release leading to defenders not having enough time to try to bat the ball. Trey needs to work on creating passing lanes when throwing over the middle to compensate for not having a quick release. That being said, his release is average, all the talk of it being super loopy and slow is also overblown.
As far as touch goes, he showed it and I'm not sure why people keep harping on it. He hit a couple to Juice in the flat, and a screen to Deebo that required a good amount of touch, and he was pretty routine on those.
All in all he's on his way. Just needs to work on creating throwing lanes to hit those middle of the field throws, so move better in the pocket. And also needs to continue to improve on his reads. So far not bad here but always room for improvement.
Very good, fair review. Will re-watch the game soon. I was encouraged by his play in starting his first NFL game at age 21 vs. a good team. Add in having minimal college experience and then jumping in and trying to run this scheme. Did well by all accounts. Next time hopefully a victory happens.
Originally posted by thl408:
When CJ/Mullens played last season, it was because Jimmy was injured, not because he was benched. So those guys had no reason to stop playing since it wasn't a coach's decision to play CJ/Mullens over Jimmy.
It's possible I'm viewing the situation incorrectly, but if the vets feel that Jimmy is the QB that gives them the best chance to win, then that's a good enough reason for me to play Jimmy once he's healthy. If the offense continues to struggle with a healthy Jimmy, which is very possible, then switch it up to Lance. But let that situation play out. Now, if I'm reading it wrong and the general feeling is that the vets also like Lance because he also gives them an equal chance to win, then I'm making a fuss over nothing - play Lance.
Literally had McG/Kittle/Trent sending out Tweet/Insta comments to Trey pre-game telling him to do work. There has been nothing from anyone during the season about this team being upset with Jimmy or Lance.
These guys are professionals and understand how it works. I mean Kittle needs to worry about staying on the field in the first place. He's not helping anyone win sitting on the bench as much as he is.
The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.
I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.
This team is not in the mix lol. Momentum for what? You're still starting basically a rookie QB in 2022 that sat on the bench and didn't develop...so people will just be pissed next yr vs this yr and for what? MAYBE a wild card game.
How far away is this team?
Kyle and Lynch will be fired if the team isn't a playoff team by 2021. They have had a ton of time, early picks and cap room.
If this team is not in the SB window, Shanalynch are to blame.