Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
If the goal is to develop Lance, yesterday was a wasted day. You are correct. Shanahan's offense went out the window. What we saw yesterday is not sustainable nor did it help Lance learn how to play. Instead of just run, run, run, there should have been more of the regular NFL offense. Give the kid some real meat to chew on. That failure is on Shanahan.

It's only wasted if he can't take anything away from the game to learn from and I feel there were definitely things to take from the game. The hope is that the more a rookie plays, the slower the game gets. Besides the INT that was a result of inaccuracy, not a bad read, he took care of the ball and did not have any near INT throws from what I remember. There were plays where he had time and didn't pull the trigger downfield, and I'd like see why he didn't. Give him a chance to learn from the mistakes before we claim that it was a wasted effort.

If this is the kind of offense it's going to be going forward, I agree. If not, then there isn't but a handful of plays to learn from given the volume of QB runs and only 15 completions. But to your larger point, there is always something to learn from.

Very hard to judge what the offense is going to look like considering he only had a week to prepare. I'd wager if he starts after the bye week, it'll look much more like the normal Kyle offense.

Those QB runs are part of the "Lance offense". Obviously it doesn't develop his dropback passing game on those reps, but those QB runs are called with the idea of moving the chains to keep the offense on, so that dropback passing plays can be called.

I thought we saw how Kyle envisions using Lance quite a bit yesterday. It's a running game that includes the QB, while using playaction to set up plays downfield. The substitution of Jennings out, and TBenjamin in, told me how Kyle wanted the passing game to look - more speed to threaten downfield. There were times Lance looked downfield but saw nothing he liked. I don't know if no one was open enough and Lance didn't like what he saw, or he is simply adjusting to what it means to be "open" in the NFL.

Those runs are part of the temporary 'Lance Offense' because they can't really run a traditional under center offense right now.

I'm not sold on that. I believe Kyle wants to add another element to play off of. Travis Benjamin came in to try and take the top off the defense more. Kyle's always wanted a speedster that can push the safeties deeper and further stress the LB's. He had Goodwin in 2017 - extended him and gave him a pay increase in 2018 and 19 and then had to trade for Sanders after Goodwin got hurt and we had Pettis/Bourne in that role. They drafted Aiyuk for that but he's not been the same this year, Benjamin could be that but we need to push safeties deeper, sooner. Meaning, guys getting off the line faster and downfield faster. People keep saying, "Jimmy can't throw it deep so teams aren't scared" I'm seeing corners over-the-top of every single deep route. No one is threatening these guys with speed. When was the last time we saw a receiver stack a corner like this?



If you watch it, the ball is slightly underthrown but because Evans stacked the corner, he can slow down a little, box the corner out and the throw looks absolutely perfect. Brady is the GOAT, but this is an example of a receiver making their QB look phenomenal. I don't care who's playing QB, we need one of our guys to step up like this.

Lance took a shot like this to Deebo in the game and the CB was in his hip pocket. No stack.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Pat sat a year and Allen was bad year 1. Lol

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Now tell me out Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They can play really well year 1 and are stars by year 2. So you want to take Mahomes out of it. Take him out.

This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. He's so confused on his reads. He has no idea what's going on.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trey said he didn't take as many hits as it seemed.

He probably forgot a bunch of them

That goal line play scared the hell out of me. He did the exact same thing as Sermon did and lowered his head into contact. That's where you get knees and helmets to the side and back of the head and that pinball effect on the brain. Not smart.

The other weird thing he kept doing was following his OL and then diving on the back of their legs/ankles.

Good to see the coaches focus on those health details knowing the heavy-run game plan in advance.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And not every call was a legit hold, a lot of "flopping" by AZ. Refs could call holding damn near every play, one team goes full LBJ flopping mode and the refs see it and will always call it. SF tries to play through the holds and doesn't get the call.

Now that it's a qb you fully support you're seeing the things I've been pointing out all year.

Lack of OL pass pro, lack of WR separation, lack of run game.

I've been saying, Jimmy has actually been masking some of these issues with quick processing and quick release - got laughed at. Was told Trey would open up more of the offense.

Here's my issues with the, "start Trey now" idea.
1. You don't give up on a season after 5 games. We don't know what's going to happen the rest of the year. We saw AZ's TE tear an ACL yesterday, you never know what can happen.

2. It's 5 games. We've had 2 games where the D looked great, 2 games they looked great for stretches and 1 game they looked bad.

3. Even if Trey develops, we still have other issues. It's not like he was our biggest problem yesterday and playing behind this shaky OL isn't helping his development much as a pocket passer.

I just don't subscribe that playing Trey is giving up on the season. I actually think we'd have won that game had Trey had 4 starts under his belt. We can develop our new offense with him.

I just don't see the benefit of playing Jimmy, our offense is different with him, but not necessarily better and that's now, but where is the upside with Jimmy?

Trey masked as many issues with his legs as Jimmy did with his release and that's after 1 start.

At least if we have a down year we can look forward to a prime draft pick... oh wait....

I wonder what pick the Dolphins are going to get this year. And next year.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Pat sat a year and Allen was bad year 1. Lol

I already answered this. Read my further posts in succession.

All those guys could throw spirals and accurate passes.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Now tell me out Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They can play really well year 1 and are stars by year 2. So you want to take Mahomes out of it. Take him out.

This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. He's so confused on his reads. He has no idea what's going on.

Allen completed 52% of his passes, threw an average of 170 ypg and had 10 TD passes to 12 picks as a rookie. He was averaging 8 rushes a game and had 639 yards on the ground and 8 TDs. And FWIW Allen was at 58% completion % in year 2 and still wasn't a star, last year his 3rd season was when he began to look like a star.

You should probably know when to fold em, this ain't it bruh.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Eric Davis said the exact same thing about how a veteran would view the permanent move to Trey this early and NY85 called his take stupid. LOL

staley and spikes said they would go with trey. Even ex 49ers are split.

When you have a guy who can't throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball at QB it's a problem. He's so confused on his reads too.

Looks like another Kap. A running QB. At least for now.

What is the deal with the spiral or lack there of?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
When you have a guy who can't throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball at QB it's a problem. He's so confused on his reads too.

Looks like another Kap. A running QB. At least for now.

A slower version of Kap with less arm talent.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I already answered this. Read my further posts in succession.

All those guys could throw spirals and accurate passes.

Bethard threw perfect spirals too. I don't get the obsession with perfect spirals. You know who else threw ducks? Joe Montana.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Now tell me out Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They can play really well year 1 and are stars by year 2. So you want to take Mahomes out of it. Take him out.

This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. He's so confused on his reads. He has no idea what's going on.

Josh Allen was atrocious in Yr. 1. I know Bills fans who had similar opinion as you have on Lance after year 1 of Josh Allen.

Of course - they were wrong (just as you are about Lance). There is enough good just in yesterday's game to feel good about Lance. His 1st start was better than all rookie QBs first start - and OL was subar - Wrs were subpar - running backs were inconsitent - playcalling was meh - decision making from HC for going on 4th downs over and over was ridiculous and so on. You're supposed to help your rookie QB during his 1st start and things were actually made difficult for him and he still kept fighting. During the draft process - I felt he's gonna really really special and yesterday's game only reinforced those believes for me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That goal line play scared the hell out of me. He did the exact same thing as Sermon did and lowered his head into contact. That's where you get knees and helmets to the side and back of the head and that pinball effect on the brain. Not smart.

The other weird thing he kept doing was following his OL and then diving on the back of their legs/ankles.

Good to see the coaches focus on those health details knowing the heavy-run game plan in advance.

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