Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.
You mean the guys that SF just made the highest paid players at their position? I think they're gonna be just fine. Did those guys stop playing when Mullens/CJ were the starters?
maybe they realize that Jimmy vs Lance isn't this crazy thing like fans/media are making it out to be…the way Lance played yesterday showed those vets he's willing to do whatever to win.
Let's stop acting like Jimmy G is some pro-bowl QB and we're just tossing in the towel because he's not playing…
The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.
I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.
Did we not just play the best team in the NFC in the Cardinals?
Jimmy struggled to score points in multiple first half's this season against worse defenses with less offensive penalties.
I thought this was Kyle's worst called offensive game plan especially some of those 4th down calls. A fullback sneak with 1.5-2 yards to go. 
My whole stance from the beginning is that no one knows if Lance can outperform Jimmy at any point this season. Not that we know Lance can play better.
And yet you and others are the ones claiming it's impossible for Lance to be better than Jimmy this season.
I don't think we having a more difficult game on our schedule going forward.
One game is not enough to change my stance that we still don't know if Lance gives us the best chance to win.
I'm pretty sure the Bucs, Packers, and Rams are pretty good teams. Are we also saying that Jimmy G, in 36 career games, hasn't been in worse situations or played better defenses or had as much stacked against him? I'm pretty sure he has.
Again, I'm not laying it all at Lance's feet. The point is, people are sitting here acting as if the offensive output was the same. No. It wasn't. We haven't seen that low of offensive output in all but ONE of Jimmy's games. If it was like 10 of his 36, ok, I see your point. We're talking ONE game. A half? So, let me get this straight. Russel Wilson scores no points in their first 5 drives, scores before the half then scores 28 in a game vs us and fans are all, "That's why you can't keep giving Wilson chances". Jimmy has nearly the exact same type of game vs the pack - our fans, "See, our offense is so limited with Jimmy." It's freaking insane how skewed our outlook is on him.
Jimmy scored 24 points vs the cards last year with Bourne, Pettis and Taylor as his WR's and people then and to this day bring up that game as how bad Jimmy is.
My point isn't Jimmy is amazing or whatever, it's acting like, "hmmmm, not sure who would really give us a better chance to win and really, Lance probably gives us a better one". That's blind hope. Lance could be great, he could rise like an Eagle the rest of the season, he could have an Alex Smith type rookie season, he could be Paxton Lynch 2.0. The point is, we don't know. We do know that in 35 or Jimmy's 36 games we score more points than we did yesterday and it's hard for me to believe that with the way the defense played, we don't win if Jimmy is in there. He's never scored less than 24 points on the Cardinals.
I just don't see the logic in claiming that a teams scoring total accurately represents a QBs individual play. Especially when Jimmy had the best defense and best running game in the NFL in 2019, which was his only complete season.
I know it's difficult to isolate a QBs play from the team's performance but we have to try.
Or you can just say Jimmy's win-loss record accurately represents his individual ability.
There's been plenty of games where Jimmy hasn't thrown a touchdown and turned the ball over but because of a running game and defense we scored more total points. I don't know why you give credit for that.
Yet I've never seen you give Jimmy grace in this respect.
It works both ways. That kind of my point here. It's crazy to me that all the sudden things that I brought up talking about why Jimmy wasn't really playing badly and that he's actually been playing really well and people - "OH HOMER!!!!" @ me are now launching the same sorts of arguments for Lance. Ok. Well, what it all boils down to is that the biggest thing I want to see is our offense score points and score enough to where we win games. That's what I care about. I feel like I've made that crystal clear. When you have a quarterback that over the aggregate shows we score points at a clip to be one of the better offenses in the league, to say we need to just make the switch, I need crystal clear evidence that we will in fact be better. No what ifs, no maybe's, it needs to be pretty darn clear.
What would that evidence be? Well, #1 if Kyle believed so, I'll get on board 100%, he knows more than I do. #2, we better be good on 3rd down, red zone and in the run action game.
If you're gonna jump out of a plane mid-season, when you still do have a shot - no matter how fans think the roster is or are, "I told you so"ing about the state of the roster, we're still in it until we're not. So, if you're going to jump out of a plane mid-season, you better be darn sure that your parachute is gonna open before you hit the ground.
I guess you can hear what you want to hear but I have gave Jimmy his credit when it's due.
I said Jimmy played well in Detroit and in the second half of the Eagles game. I also never said that the TD throw to Deebo in Detroit or the TD throw to Dwelley vs Seattle were bad passes like some have argued. That's exactly what I want to see from Jimmy. Take more chances. I'd rather see a deep 50-50 ball then a check down and punt.
But if you listen to any other poster you'd believe I said Jimmy is garbage. He's not garbage. I've never said he's garbage. But he's not going to elevate this team like I believe Lance will eventually… if not this year then hopefully next season. And I could be wrong about that.
All I rejected from your previous posts is three things.
1.
Jimmy played well enough to win in a loss against Green Bay. Because on the flip side, I never said Lance played well enough to win this game against Arizona. I thought Jimmy's consistent 3 and outs vs GB and Lance's inability to convert 4th downs both we're losing football.
2.
We know that starting Lance in 2021 would result in a wasted season. The counter argument would be that we wasted the season having a 26 million QB who gets hurt frequently when that money could have been used to fix other positions or if we knew Jimmy was the guy and wouldn't get hurt we should have used that draft capital to fix other positions. Obviously Kyle had seen enough of Jimmy's injury history and doesn't trust him to stay healthy at the very least. But to claim WE know we're wasting the season starting Lance but now you're saying we don't know if very confusing to me.
3.
You can accurately represent a QBs individual play by the teams scoring total. I just don't understand why you would make this argument.
