DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Let's hope he gets fired. We need him back.

you giving up on MECO after 37 seconds away and 2 calls away from being 3-0??

Lions game, he went full prevent defense, almost allowed them to come back. Okay, np he's gonna learn from that. Up 17-3 late in the 4th, he goes full prevent again, almost let's them come back. Ok, np, because he's definitely gonna learn from those two games. lol....

On top of that, he's letting a rookie play one on one man against Adams, and DJ. That was inexcusable as well.

They didn't go prevent versus the eagles at all. They got burned b/c they were blitzing to much. Eagles last scoring drive came on a long Hurts scramble after escaping a blitz.

You know, if you don't execute to absolute perfection around here you should be fired. No room to grow, learn, or figure anything out. Seeing this team figure it out is going to be part of the fun. I honestly didn't even think Jimmy would drive us to a score at the end or that we'd get into the game, but there we were. I still see a fringe playoff team- 8 to 10 wins.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Let's hope he gets fired. We need him back.

you giving up on MECO after 37 seconds away and 2 calls away from being 3-0??

Lions game, he went full prevent defense, almost allowed them to come back. Okay, np he's gonna learn from that. Up 17-3 late in the 4th, he goes full prevent again, almost let's them come back. Ok, np, because he's definitely gonna learn from those two games. lol....

On top of that, he's letting a rookie play one on one man against Adams, and DJ. That was inexcusable as well.

They didn't go prevent versus the eagles at all. They got burned b/c they were blitzing to much. Eagles last scoring drive came on a long Hurts scramble after escaping a blitz.

You know, if you don't execute to absolute perfection around here you should be fired. No room to grow, learn, or figure anything out. Seeing this team figure it out is going to be part of the fun. I honestly didn't even think Jimmy would drive us to a score at the end or that we'd get into the game, but there we were. I still see a fringe playoff team- 8 to 10 wins.

Exactly. Not only is he a rookie DC he's only been coaching a total of 4 years. Gonna be growing pains. Add in a ton of injuries and a underperforming d line. I think ppl are assuming we are rolling out the same d line from 2019. 2019 d line wouldve crushed the Lions, Eagles, and GB. s**t look at the WFT. Tons of talent no injuries same DC from last year and they are ranked 31st. Now that's doing a bad job. Ryan's has a lot to learn.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Not sure who was available at that specific time Tbh. I was hoping for someone a little more experienced though. Who knows though, maybe Demeco makes some big Improvements over the next few weeks... We're gonna need something with the offenses we're about to go against.

not was. is. who IS available?

I don't know honestly. Most are probably already hired by now.

He's not going anywhere this season. He needs to figure things out like the players. Saleh did the exact same thing using the prevent D and it drove us nuts.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
This franchise is too quick to promote from within: Singletary, Tomsula, that string of abysmal OCs we had awhile back....

Can't fully judge Ryans yet..he's not dealing with a talented secondary, but that last drive was abysmal.

All of this was expected. We talked about it all offseason. The people who thought there would be no drop off were in denial or dumb.

With the way people speak about DeMeco, I'd be surprised if the defense doesn't look better later in the year. But the early growing pains were always inevitable.

I honestly thot Demeco was going to be better than saleh, who was just too conservative. But it was obvious that with no effective CBs, he was in for a real challenge against one of the games best QBs ever. Saleh was a really good guy and turned out to be a decent DC. Never should have left here, however, in that he learned tons from KS and JL, but still needed about another good 3-4 yrs of learning…draft, trades, FAs, and how to build a team from scratch. I understand the money issue and no ill will for Saleh taking the HC job and $$$. But he was about 4 yrs short in learning how to build and run a team.

Also, had Saleh stayed around, then Demeco could have had a much better base of DC learning to build from. As it is he got promoted too early and needed more time learning…eg, if a WR is killing you , double him. He did , but about 55 minutes too late. Another is the "Prevent yourself from winning D", which once again, as with Saleh at times, Prevent D caused us to lose several winnable games. Again, I think Kyle didn't want an experienced DC b because i truly feel Kyle wants to call most D sets. I can't prove it but sure feel that way. So Demeco does what kyle wants.

Just being around Saleh 2 yrs (or maybe it was 3) , was nowhere near enough time for Demeco to learn what he needed to be a great DC. As it is we have SB material, some for the last time, and we are weak at DC. I sure hope that can change rapidly and 2 takeaways for Demeco is 1) double a guy who is killing you wiht receptions, and 2), Prevent D prevents us from winning.

If Demeco learned anything yesterday, I hope it was those two things. As for CBs, or lack thereof, that really killed us as the passrush just wasn't there. Why was that, BTW?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I honestly thot Demeco was going to be better than saleh, who was just too conservative. But it was obvious that with no effective CBs, he was in for a real challenge against one of the games best QBs ever. Saleh was a really good guy and turned out to be a decent DC. Never should have left here, however, in that he learned tons from KS and JL, but still needed about another good 3-4 yrs of learning…draft, trades, FAs, and how to build a team from scratch. I understand the money issue and no ill will for Saleh taking the HC job and $$$. But he was about 4 yrs short in learning how to build and run a team.

Also, had Saleh stayed around, then Demeco could have had a much better base of DC learning to build from. As it is he got promoted too early and needed more time learning…eg, if a WR is killing you , double him. He did , but about 55 minutes too late. Another is the "Prevent yourself from winning D", which once again, as with Saleh at times, Prevent D caused us to lose several winnable games. Again, I think Kyle didn't want an experienced DC b because i truly feel Kyle wants to call most D sets. I can't prove it but sure feel that way. So Demeco does what kyle wants.

Just being around Saleh 2 yrs (or maybe it was 3) , was nowhere near enough time for Demeco to learn what he needed to be a great DC. As it is we have SB material, some for the last time, and we are weak at DC. I sure hope that can change rapidly and 2 takeaways for Demeco is 1) double a guy who is killing you wiht receptions, and 2), Prevent D prevents us from winning.

If Demeco learned anything yesterday, I hope it was those two things. As for CBs, or lack thereof, that really killed us as the passrush just wasn't there. Why was that, BTW?

Rodgers was 16-18, 140 yards and a TD when passing in 2.5 seconds or less. So our CB's can't even stay on their guys for two seconds. TWO SECONDS! That is what other offenses will do against us as well. Pretty much impossible for a pass rush to get home in that time. That is not on Ryans, but Lynch for putting those scrubs out there. If that is how we roll the rest of the season, don't expect anything different from this D.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I honestly thot Demeco was going to be better than saleh, who was just too conservative. But it was obvious that with no effective CBs, he was in for a real challenge against one of the games best QBs ever. Saleh was a really good guy and turned out to be a decent DC. Never should have left here, however, in that he learned tons from KS and JL, but still needed about another good 3-4 yrs of learning…draft, trades, FAs, and how to build a team from scratch. I understand the money issue and no ill will for Saleh taking the HC job and $$$. But he was about 4 yrs short in learning how to build and run a team.

Also, had Saleh stayed around, then Demeco could have had a much better base of DC learning to build from. As it is he got promoted too early and needed more time learning…eg, if a WR is killing you , double him. He did , but about 55 minutes too late. Another is the "Prevent yourself from winning D", which once again, as with Saleh at times, Prevent D caused us to lose several winnable games. Again, I think Kyle didn't want an experienced DC b because i truly feel Kyle wants to call most D sets. I can't prove it but sure feel that way. So Demeco does what kyle wants.

Just being around Saleh 2 yrs (or maybe it was 3) , was nowhere near enough time for Demeco to learn what he needed to be a great DC. As it is we have SB material, some for the last time, and we are weak at DC. I sure hope that can change rapidly and 2 takeaways for Demeco is 1) double a guy who is killing you wiht receptions, and 2), Prevent D prevents us from winning.

If Demeco learned anything yesterday, I hope it was those two things. As for CBs, or lack thereof, that really killed us as the passrush just wasn't there. Why was that, BTW?

Rodgers was 16-18, 140 yards and a TD when passing in 2.5 seconds or less. So our CB's can't even stay on their guys for two seconds. TWO SECONDS! That is what other offenses will do against us as well. Pretty much impossible for a pass rush to get home in that time. That is not on Ryans, but Lynch for putting those scrubs out there. If that is how we roll the rest of the season, don't expect anything different from this D.

Corner 1 was injured. Corner 2 (unsigned) had a mental breakdown. I preferred a corner in round 2 but it didn't break that way. The offense and front 7 will have to step up. Hell..special teams also while the young corners learn on the job.

Every game our d has gotten gashed at some point. The last 3 minutes of deteroit, the whole first half against philly (should have been wa-a-a-a-y down), 4 quarters against gb. This is an avalanche for the rest of the season if it is not addressed now.

Special advisors vic fangio and wade phillips hired today. Do it!

Did he get fired yet?

Yes we need some upgrades in the defensive backfield. I'm hoping and guessing that will be an area they look at in the next draft. I read the article at the top of the website about how the Niners have ignored the DBs while paying a lot of attention to the DL. That's true but sometimes you can't fill all your needs. If they had built a great defensive backfield and ignored drafting guys like Buckner, AA and Bosa then people would be complaining about having a weak DL. Nearly every team has at least one area of their defense that can be attacked. Right now ours is the secondary.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
This franchise is too quick to promote from within: Singletary, Tomsula, that string of abysmal OCs we had awhile back....

Can't fully judge Ryans yet..he's not dealing with a talented secondary, but that last drive was abysmal.

All of this was expected. We talked about it all offseason. The people who thought there would be no drop off were in denial or dumb.

With the way people speak about DeMeco, I'd be surprised if the defense doesn't look better later in the year. But the early growing pains were always inevitable.

I honestly thot Demeco was going to be better than saleh, who was just too conservative. But it was obvious that with no effective CBs, he was in for a real challenge against one of the games best QBs ever. Saleh was a really good guy and turned out to be a decent DC. Never should have left here, however, in that he learned tons from KS and JL, but still needed about another good 3-4 yrs of learning…draft, trades, FAs, and how to build a team from scratch. I understand the money issue and no ill will for Saleh taking the HC job and $$$. But he was about 4 yrs short in learning how to build and run a team.

Also, had Saleh stayed around, then Demeco could have had a much better base of DC learning to build from. As it is he got promoted too early and needed more time learning…eg, if a WR is killing you , double him. He did , but about 55 minutes too late. Another is the "Prevent yourself from winning D", which once again, as with Saleh at times, Prevent D caused us to lose several winnable games. Again, I think Kyle didn't want an experienced DC b because i truly feel Kyle wants to call most D sets. I can't prove it but sure feel that way. So Demeco does what kyle wants.

Just being around Saleh 2 yrs (or maybe it was 3) , was nowhere near enough time for Demeco to learn what he needed to be a great DC. As it is we have SB material, some for the last time, and we are weak at DC. I sure hope that can change rapidly and 2 takeaways for Demeco is 1) double a guy who is killing you wiht receptions, and 2), Prevent D prevents us from winning.

If Demeco learned anything yesterday, I hope it was those two things. As for CBs, or lack thereof, that really killed us as the passrush just wasn't there. Why was that, BTW?

Saleh used to leave Moseley out there to get roasted versus number 1 wr's with no help. I remember the Atlanta and Cards games. Julio and Hopkins were killing us the whole game. And all we got was Moseley playing off coverage. No adjustments. And let's not forget what Saleh did in the dolphins game. and he wasn't a rookie DC at that point.

I get it's his 1st year as a NFL DC, but the game was won before the final GB FG 2 play drive, which is why it was INEXCUSABLE for the def at the end to give up a FG when you know how Rodgers operate and everyone and their grandmom knows davante adams is a true top #1 WR who Rodgers relies on and go to when everything is on the line, therefore the loss falls on DeMeco Ryans and the secondary. Davante adams should have been double covered, triple covered (I don't care if you put a CB or two and both safeties on him like a hail mary) on the last GB drive because it would still be better than allowing Rodgers to throw it to some other WR, TE, or RB forcing a drop or not enough yards and time to get to viable FG range.

The Bucs won the SB because KC #1 WR Tyreek Hill was pretty much shut down with less than 100 yds and no TD in the SB and Tyreek ranked 2 spots behind Adams in total yds last season, how can you as the DC not shut down Adams and still expect to win a close game? And with 42 yds of his 132 coming on that last FG winning drive?
LOL. Hope he as the DC learned this valuable lesson regardless who he has in the secondary playing, double, triple, quadruple cover the #1 WR so it doesn't happen again especially in the playoffs if the 9ers make it that far this season.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You know, if you don't execute to absolute perfection around here you should be fired. No room to grow, learn, or figure anything out. Seeing this team figure it out is going to be part of the fun. I honestly didn't even think Jimmy would drive us to a score at the end or that we'd get into the game, but there we were. I still see a fringe playoff team- 8 to 10 wins.

ok a few weeks ago we had the best roster in the nfl and was a super bowl contender and no one talked about growing pains.. it was a win now situation....... now all of a sudden.. we got posters making excuses and saying well. he is new. it will take time. we will have growing pains.. if you believe growing pains at all.. i tend to think its no energy and ineptness,,,,, growing pains leads to losses which we saw sunday and should have seen vs detroit.. so now growing pains and losses are acceptable ? you got a all pro like fred setting around playing checkers in pass coverage.. he should have been applying some pressure, we knew what rodgers would do,, we knew who he would target. and we just layed down and helped him to the all the china in the household. good god.,, exactly how we lost to the ravens in the super bowl.. could not generate a pass rush with a hurt cowboy and aldon and brooks... so we took our two all pro backers in bowman and willis and had them set around playing checkers in pass coverage while joe at us up. i f**king swear our coaches on our team act like they want the other team to win as they make it super easy for them,, last month.WIN NOW!!!!! NOW,, but but growing pains

inexcusable is the perfect word to use for the loss.. kyle and alleged dc and lynch for your dips**tting drafting overall

Originally posted by cciowa:
ok a few weeks ago we had the best roster in the nfl and was a super bowl contender and no one talked about growing pains.. it was a win now situation....... now all of a sudden.. we got posters making excuses and saying well. he is new. it will take time. we will have growing pains.. if you believe growing pains at all.. i tend to think its no energy and ineptness,,,,, growing pains leads to losses which we saw sunday and should have seen vs detroit.. so now growing pains and losses are acceptable ? you got a all pro like fred setting around playing checkers in pass coverage.. he should have been applying some pressure, we knew what rodgers would do,, we knew who he would target. and we just layed down and helped him to the all the china in the household. good god.,, exactly how we lost to the ravens in the super bowl.. could not generate a pass rush with a hurt cowboy and aldon and brooks... so we took our two all pro backers in bowman and willis and had them set around playing checkers in pass coverage while joe at us up. i f**king swear our coaches on our team act like they want the other team to win as they make it super easy for them,, last month.WIN NOW!!!!! NOW,, but but growing pains

LOL at not expecting bumps, bruises and growing pains for a guy going from position coach to a first time DC and playcaller. Especially when one is aware of the fact that this man is only in his 5th year as a professional football coach.

I wonder if the scheme we are seeing is actually what Ryans wants to run. He inherited Kocurek and the wide9. For all we know, Ryans might not prefer the wide9 but doesn't want to overhaul what the current players are used to. Just throwing that out there.