Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

about 3.5 more hours to the draft.. hopefully after tonight no more deebo drama talk

Let's shift the conversation. Say we sign Deebo will he still be a wideback at 25 mill+? Yes, I know what he has said, while he sell shirts that say "wideback" on them. But what is the reality?

Originally posted by jvangeystel:
I think the chances of Deebo holding out are .005% it makes ZERO sense financially for him to do so.

If he's not traded I'm calling one of them NBA type Mysterious injuries. UNLESS we overpay and I'm talking 30 per type overpay

I'm sorry but losing Deebo is not the end of any hope of another Superbowl, as long as we get a huge haul of draft picks we can draft another WR with huge upside and let's say he gives you 50% or better the production of what Deebo would have given, plus to get to add 2 or 3 more players from the trade that they need in other areas and the 49ers will be in fine shape moving forward. Deebo is special when healthy but finding productive WRs in this draft looks promising. Go Niners!

Originally posted by fropwns:

Let's shift the conversation. Say we sign Deebo will he still be a wideback at 25 mill+? Yes, I know what he has said, while he sell shirts that say "wideback" on them. But what is the reality?

Yes, I expect he will be needed a lot less now that we don't have a statue playing QB but we will still make plays for him.

Originally posted by fropwns:
Let's shift the conversation. Say we sign Deebo will he still be a wideback at 25 mill+? Yes, I know what he has said, while he sell shirts that say "wideback" on them. But what is the reality?

Yes he wants the ball as much as possible. That's what competitors want

Originally posted by fropwns:
Let's shift the conversation. Say we sign Deebo will he still be a wideback at 25 mill+? Yes, I know what he has said, while he sell shirts that say "wideback" on them. But what is the reality?

Reality is we won't need him to as much. We will draft 2 arbies this draft. That RB room will upgraded so he won't have to run or his replacement won't have to be Deebo.

That's literally the only reason(along with RB injuries)he was used that way last year

Originally posted by fropwns:
Let's shift the conversation. Say we sign Deebo will he still be a wideback at 25 mill+? Yes, I know what he has said, while he sell shirts that say "wideback" on them. But what is the reality?

I think he would want the ball in his hands, no matter how. Unless he wants to be called soft.

Originally posted by GPC49:
I'm sorry but losing Deebo is not the end of any hope of another Superbowl, as long as we get a huge haul of draft picks we can draft another WR with huge upside and let's say he gives you 50% or better the production of what Deebo would have given, plus to get to add 2 or 3 more players from the trade that they need in other areas and the 49ers will be in fine shape moving forward. Deebo is special when healthy but finding productive WRs in this draft looks promising. Go Niners!

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Originally posted by Heroism:

Northern California tonight if Kyle green lights a Deebo trade mid draft pic.twitter.com/cz268xgO00

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) April 28, 2022

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I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

We most likely will. In 2 months when we do not have to pay Jimmy anything but his guaranteed 2 mil. We wont today because Jimmy isn't stealing another 5 mil from us.

That is exactly what I have been preaching for 2 months now.

Jimmy's money is for Deebo, Bosa and our incoming rookies. We need all of it.

While its not the only option to extend Deebo, it is more than likely the best option. Blame it on the FO, if folks want, but the surprise surgery came out of left field. Jimmy's money is holding everything up. Doesn't really change anything, it just prolongs the inevitable.

More restructures should be a last resort in order to sign our rookies since Bosa and Deebo are still under contract.

It was before the trade demand came. Now I just don't see it happening.

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Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I wouldn't go that far.

Two receivers with all world QBs were getting less production than Deebo with a potato at QB and an offense which passed the ball almost the least amount in football last year. Only when Deebo started playing RB did they catch up to his receiving production.

Assuming the 9ers don't trade Deebo. Do you honestly believe he'll put up that kind of production again this season?. Keep In mind, we should see better play from the QB too. I'm not convinced Deebo will produce those kind of numbers again. I'd love to be wrong though.

No I think we will be running the ball more this coming year than we did with Jimmy. But I also think Deebo just flat out makes us a better team and that's all I care about.

Agreed. We are definitely better team with him, than without.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Northern California tonight if Kyle green lights a Deebo trade mid draft pic.twitter.com/cz268xgO00

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) April 28, 2022

lol, outstanding.

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Originally posted by GPC49:
I'm sorry but losing Deebo is not the end of any hope of another Superbowl, as long as we get a huge haul of draft picks we can draft another WR with huge upside and let's say he gives you 50% or better the production of what Deebo would have given, plus to get to add 2 or 3 more players from the trade that they need in other areas and the 49ers will be in fine shape moving forward. Deebo is special when healthy but finding productive WRs in this draft looks promising. Go Niners!

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Love this!