Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

We most likely will. In 2 months when we do not have to pay Jimmy anything but his guaranteed 2 mil. We wont today because Jimmy isn't stealing another 5 mil from us.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I wouldn't go that far.

Two receivers with all world QBs were getting less production than Deebo with a potato at QB and an offense which passed the ball almost the least amount in football last year. Only when Deebo started playing RB did they catch up to his receiving production.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Fact is the 9ers were more than ready to move on and trade Jimmy G and his 26M+ 2022 salary away for draft picks and use that money and cap space for other players, EVERYONE knows that including deebo. Jimmy revenge blocked it with the late surgery, that's bad karma. He will be dumped in July. 9ers don't want to pay him and don't need to pay him. Deebo wants to get pay and he earned it. How the 9ers will handle hard ball by forcing deebo to play out his rookie contract or give him a big payday extension depends on negotiation if he doesn't get traded tonight, which if he did would be 10 steps backwards to getting back to the SB.

I disagree with this. His rushing aspect was reminiscent of Jeff Wilson the year before. 2nd half of the year when he carried us. He essentially was our #2 WR and #2 RB.

When he was up there with Kupp in receiving the 1st half of the year we were a whopping 3-5. When we upgraded our RB2 with Deebo surprise surprise we went 7-2.

Running will always be Kyle's staple. We need to upgrade that RB room and OL and we will be fine.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fropwns:
This fixation on Jimmy G is incredible. You again dip into the emotional with the "bad karma" quip. So, if I may, it is okay for Deebo to want his bag, but not for Jimmy to protect his? And, for that matter, for the Niners to want to rationally solve this thing in the due course of time?

I know you were asking an overly emotional/irrational poster and not me, but I am going to answer.

Yes, its okay for Deebo to want his bag....but its less okay for Jimmy to want to protect his. He has already secured his bag. And he did so before proving much of anything. He has his bag. He will be getting another one, albeit a substantially smaller one if his market remains close to non-existent like it currently is. Deebo wanting to be paid isnt f**king the organization over. Either we pay him and he is here or we trade him and get a nice haul in return. That is not the same thing as Jimmy. He should have been cut already, but we for some reason are holding onto this hope that his market will actually develop after his rehab is completed. I just dont see it.

Steve, before I responded, I feel, you and I, need a bag. Can we get one?

Either way we slice it, they both have a right to their positions. Jimmy to hold on to his, Deebo to want his. Right? I agree, the Niners overplayed "the Jimmy" story. But I find it reasonable that Jimmy, whether it is this bag or the next bag, sought to protect his position and get surgery. Emotionally, it is frustrating. But I get it. It is a logical thing to do.

Time will tell, but you may be right about Jimmy. We may have to cut him. But we certainly could trade him still...maybe for a....wait for it...bag.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I would rather have 35, 38 and 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Jets are headed in the right direction tbh. The Giants are bad.

Yeah but the AFC is stacked. They will be luck to win 5 games with this schedule
https://fbschedules.com/2022-new-york-jets-schedule/

Yes brutal divisiion etc, id want 10 and their 1 next year.

Me too I just don't see it happening. I forget to quote the report about the trade might not happening tonight and them using next years 1 that was posted several pages ago.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

We most likely will. In 2 months when we do not have to pay Jimmy anything but his guaranteed 2 mil. We wont today because Jimmy isn't stealing another 5 mil from us.

That is exactly what I have been preaching for 2 months now.

Jimmy's money is for Deebo, Bosa and our incoming rookies. We need all of it.

While its not the only option to extend Deebo, it is more than likely the best option. Blame it on the FO, if folks want, but the surprise surgery came out of left field. Jimmy's money is holding everything up. Doesn't really change anything, it just prolongs the inevitable.

More restructures should be a last resort in order to sign our rookies since Bosa and Deebo are still under contract.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I wouldn't go that far.

Two receivers with all world QBs were getting less production than Deebo with a potato at QB and an offense which passed the ball almost the least amount in football last year. Only when Deebo started playing RB did they catch up to his receiving production.

Assuming the 9ers don't trade Deebo. Do you honestly believe he'll put up that kind of production again this season?. Keep In mind, we should see better play from the QB too. I'm not convinced Deebo will produce those kind of numbers again. I'd love to be wrong though.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

We most likely will. In 2 months when we do not have to pay Jimmy anything but his guaranteed 2 mil. We wont today because Jimmy isn't stealing another 5 mil from us.

That is exactly what I have been preaching for 2 months now.

Jimmy's money is for Deebo, Bosa and our incoming rookies. We need all of it.

While its not the only option to extend Deebo, it is more than likely the best option. Blame it on the FO, if folks want, but the surprise surgery came out of left field. Jimmy's money is holding everything up. Doesn't really change anything, it just prolongs the inevitable.

More restructures should be a last resort in order to sign our rookies since Bosa and Deebo are still under contract.

Agree with all this. Jimmy slowing anything down is only because of the way they want to do it. Not because they have too.

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I would rather have 35, 38 and 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Jets are headed in the right direction tbh. The Giants are bad.

Yeah but the AFC is stacked. They will be luck to win 5 games with this schedule
https://fbschedules.com/2022-new-york-jets-schedule/

Yes brutal divisiion etc, id want 10 and their 1 next year.

Me too I just don't see it happening. I forget to quote the report about the trade might not happening tonight and them using next years 1 that was posted several pages ago.

Yeah bro I cant keep up. Some people arguing over cap space. I doubt it happens, but you never know. This draft is so weak in rd 1 it makes a trade less appealing.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I wouldn't go that far.

Two receivers with all world QBs were getting less production than Deebo with a potato at QB and an offense which passed the ball almost the least amount in football last year. Only when Deebo started playing RB did they catch up to his receiving production.

Assuming the 9ers don't trade Deebo. Do you honestly believe he'll put up that kind of production again this season?. Keep In mind, we should see better play from the QB too. I'm not convinced Deebo will produce those kind of numbers again. I'd love to be wrong though.

No I think we will be running the ball more this coming year than we did with Jimmy. But I also think Deebo just flat out makes us a better team and that's all I care about.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Okay and that means what?

It means it's more than fair compensation

that was the price weeks ago.... we live in different times now. its not enough

So did Deebo stop all his media antics once he saw all the Jets rumor trade?

I think the chances of Deebo holding out are .005% it makes ZERO sense financially for him to do so.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

We most likely will. In 2 months when we do not have to pay Jimmy anything but his guaranteed 2 mil. We wont today because Jimmy isn't stealing another 5 mil from us.

That is exactly what I have been preaching for 2 months now.

Jimmy's money is for Deebo, Bosa and our incoming rookies. We need all of it.

While its not the only option to extend Deebo, it is more than likely the best option. Blame it on the FO, if folks want, but the surprise surgery came out of left field. Jimmy's money is holding everything up. Doesn't really change anything, it just prolongs the inevitable.

More restructures should be a last resort in order to sign our rookies since Bosa and Deebo are still under contract.

Agree with all this. Jimmy slowing anything down is only because of the way they want to do it. Not because they have too.

Makes sense.