Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Shout to NC with the charts. I ain't even read them s**ts yet but just props for going the extra mile with your posts homie

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

The Bears rebuild reminds me more of like the Rams than the Niners.

They will be in cap trouble when it comes time to pay their QB. (See the fall of the Seahawks)

The Seahawks never fell though. They had a rookie contract QB and paid top dollar to every LOB player. Then, when they paid their FQB, they had to let a couple pieces systematically go in subsequent years while keeping their core in tact and developing players behind the LOB for replacement. They are still a playoff caliber team today with a top 8 defense.

I can see your comparison to the Rams although the Bears didn't have 7 years of top 10 picks, move to L.A. and buy the world in free agency and trade all of their draft picks away.

The idea that if a team pays a FQB or top defensive player, it will soon bite them in their ass is a myth these days. Nobody gets in cap hell anymore. Nobody.

It's all in how you prioritize and manage it.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Shout to NC with the charts. I ain't even read them s**ts yet but just props for going the extra mile with your posts homie

Haha...

I'm so sorry if you can't zoom in or download. It's easy work on my end. Just a hobby.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Here you go P...does this look more apples to apples for you? I simply looked at who they have as a core starter/contributor today (2018) from their ≤ to 2015 & 2016 acquisitions and compared to our player acquisitions from ≤ 2017 & 2018 and who we 'might' expect to be a core starter/contributor in 2020.

I went pretty conservative on our end; guys like Witherspoon, Tartt & James might be gone after this season or next. We may not resign Mike Person to a 2-3 year deal. I feel pretty comfortable with everyone else.

Now, one would need to compare the quantity and quality of those players.

Love this. And thanks for mocking this up! Honestly, this chart makes me feel so much better our team. I still can't believe our incredible looking 2017 draft fell to pieces this year. We need to treat this offseason like the Bears did last one and go all in.

DE, LB, S, WR, DE #2.

Also, it'd be an absolute shame if we didn't extend Person. He fits our O perfectly and has played well, no reason to create another hole for us by letting him walk.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Love this. And thanks for mocking this up! Honestly, this chart makes me feel so much better our team. I still can't believe our incredible looking 2017 draft fell to pieces this year. We need to treat this offseason like the Bears did last one and go all in.

DE, LB, S, WR, DE #2.

Also, it'd be an absolute shame if we didn't extend Person. He fits our O perfectly and has played well, no reason to create another hole for us by letting him walk.

My pleasure!

I couldn't agree more on all of your points.

More than one way to build a team. The one thing every team needs is luck. Free agents need to platy up to expectations. You need to hit on 4 or 5 guys each year in the draft. Most of all you need to stay healthy which is where the luck really comes in. Then even if you get to the top you need everything to work out right so you stay there unlike the Falcons, Eagles and even the Niners. Lot's of things go wrong even when you do most of it right.

Bottom line, front office blew the 2017 draft. The rebuilding starts over again this offseason, need a home run.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
We picked Tomsula over Fangio

Fail

This is kinda revisionist... Tomsula was a great D line coach

Originally posted by goldlame2013:

Bottom line, front office blew the 2017 draft. The rebuilding starts over again this offseason, need a home run.

Yup...it's all in how one wants to define when a rebuild starts.

Mr Biscuits is tearing it up . whoda thunk it?

Originally posted by badguy_1:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
We picked Tomsula over Fangio

Fail

This is kinda revisionist... Tomsula was a great D line coach

No it isnt. By all accounts, this is exactly what happened, and why Adam Gase chose not to come here.

Im not sure this is much of a comparison. A lot of their defensive core came from the prior regime. Leonard floyd, kyle fuller, adrian amos, Eddie Goldman, and Akiem hicks. Some of those guys are probowlers. Plus some of their offensive starters jordan howard, cody whitehair, and kyle long. No doubt the bears have done a very good job, but they started with soooooooo much more to work with. We literally have Buckner, tartt, arik, and staley as starters from that 2016 team. We over turned 80% of our roster. Plus we have lost our qb for the majority of the season. Baalke screwed us so much worse in terms of drafting the the bears prior regime did.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
The point is simple...

BEFORE OUR INJURIES WE LOOKED LIKE THE BETTER ROSTER AND 99% OF THE PEOPLE AGREED WITH THIS BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE ARE CLAIMS THAT CHICAGO BY FAR HAS SUPERIOR TALENT...

WHICH IS IT

But they didn't? The main reason for the enthusiasm was Garoppolo being seen as a far better QB option than Trubisky. And then Garoppolo got injured. Overall their team has better talent and depth, even before they acquired Mack. That is the advantage of having four years to build your roster instead of two.

But again, that extra talent resulted in 3 and 5 wins. It wasn't until they got their FQB and got aggressive in FA that the extra two years of rebuilding talent 'suddenly' hit/mattered.

I understand you are defining the start of a rebuild when a whole regime changes over. I'm cool with that.

I'm just saying theirs simply had no barring in this comparison because we had the same records over those two years and then added a FQB in the same year and had Garoppolo stayed healthy, the records would probably reflect that (whether you believe they had longer to rebuild, are more talented or had more depth).

Thing is Pace made the big trade up for Trubisky. As a GM he knew the move was widely criticized and the only way to defend it or stop people from questioning it is to ensure Trubisky is successful.

With that in mind his rebuild plan was escalated and altered imo. Kyle and John trading for Jimmy and seeing him carry the team to 5 straight wins with the junk we had last year led to a lot of false hope and probably blinded us to how far away we're still are and honestly if Jimmy is healthy we may be looking at an 8-3 or at least a 6-5 record and we're still in the playoff hunt.

But Pace couldn't afford to build through the draft and needed to make sure Trubisky is babied as much as possible. They hired Nagy to be the HC/OC to help him. They threw big bucks in free agency on Allen, Gabriel and Burton. Then added James Daniels and Anthony Miller in the draft to help the OL and add WR depth.

Then the big move to acquire Mack and really cement that already top 10 defense from prior season to another level.

We're not in the same spot and the team didn't feel the need that they had to surround Jimmy with all this high priced talent to ensure his success because he already showed he can play with inferior talent and produce.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not sure this is much of a comparison. A lot of their defensive core came from the prior regime. Leonard floyd, kyle fuller, adrian amos, Eddie Goldman, and Akiem hicks. Some of those guys are probowlers. Plus some of their offensive starters jordan howard, cody whitehair, and kyle long. No doubt the bears have done a very good job, but they started with soooooooo much more to work with. We literally have Buckner, tartt, arik, and staley as starters from that 2016 team. We over turned 80% of our roster. Plus we have lost our qb for the majority of the season. Baalke screwed us so much worse in terms of drafting the the bears prior regime did.

All of those guys were drafted/signed by Pace.

I do agree with your point about how trash our roster was when Kyle and John took over.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Im not sure this is much of a comparison. A lot of their defensive core came from the prior regime. Leonard floyd, kyle fuller, adrian amos, Eddie Goldman, and Akiem hicks. Some of those guys are probowlers. Plus some of their offensive starters jordan howard, cody whitehair, and kyle long. No doubt the bears have done a very good job, but they started with soooooooo much more to work with. We literally have Buckner, tartt, arik, and staley as starters from that 2016 team. We over turned 80% of our roster. Plus we have lost our qb for the majority of the season. Baalke screwed us so much worse in terms of drafting the the bears prior regime did.

All of those guys were drafted/signed by Pace.

I do agree with your point about how trash our roster was when Kyle and John took over.

This.

Phil, post #219 literally tackles the first two years of each regime.

Every new regime is naturally going to adopt players from a previous regime and if they are good, they will be retained...like how some of our best players (today) are Baalke pics: Buckner, Tartt, Armstead, Mostert, Staley, etc. and several other good players like V.McDonald, Hyde, Brown, Harold, Tank, Bowman, etc. were traded/released because of fit.

This is precisely why I put these two up against each other. A regime change had no effect on outcomes. More talent should = more wins. Both had the same win totals, both made coaching hires around the same time, both got their FQB at the same time, both were drafting together, both had near identical injury histories over that span, both...you get the idea.

The thing that is lost in all of this, is this FO has every license to do what Pace did whether that's in year 1 of a rebuild, in the same year they secured a FQB or wait until later. And that extends beyond aggressive trades and free agency. We have every right to hit homeruns in the draft just the same.

Many fans think this aggressive nature will take place this off season for us. I'm more skeptical based off their very own comments about rebuilding and their actions that backed that up to date.