Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by okdkid:
You can still be a Niners fan, love Garoppolo, hope he crushes it and not make excuses for his self-created awful performance. He was clearly scared to play yesterday. I don't know how that can be debated. We are all hoping he shakes it off.

Is it really excuses though?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Give his QB a chance to get back out there under the spotlight. Shanahan didn't know his passes were gonna be batted down, O-line miscommunication and hey!! the opposing defense just straight out made plays. Vic Fangio knew Shanahan wanted to get Jimmy G. going so why not just sit back in coverage and let your best defenders rush the passer against a player that hasn't seen the field in almost a year. Either way people are putting too much stock into these 6 pass attempts.

Then he should have stayed in the game with the starting OL against the 2nd string Denver defense beacause come Week 1, it will be the starters with no excuses.

if Vic knows what Shanahans intentions are, why can't Shanhan predict/adjust to what VIcs intentions are? Maybe give JG some screens, short passes, establish the running game to soften the pass rush until the second defense enters the field.

Maybe Shanahan should have considered doing what the Rams do. Most of their starters are not playing in the preseason. McVay doesn't care if they go 0-4 and only score a few points per game. They get most their work done in scrimmages against other teams. Not near as much injury risk and they get live game simulation against other starters. They did the same thing last year and started the season 8-0 with a very healthy team. This is the 3rd year of Shanahan's offense so there shouldn't be as much concern about continuity.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

I'm not a Cohn fan but he didn't say anything that outrageous. "Wouldn't panic over Jimmy yet, but his performance was very concerning. Needs to improve in KC or Kyle should consider playing Nick to start the season" not really trolling.

lol he literally suggested that Garoppolo might not be the best QB on the roster. Even after Mullens looked off in the same game. Cohn adds in just enough plausible reasons to keep from looking like a total heretic, but his ideas are always based on ridiculous suggestions.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I'm not a Cohn fan but he didn't say anything that outrageous. "Wouldn't panic over Jimmy yet, but his performance was very concerning. Needs to improve in KC or Kyle should consider playing Nick to start the season" not really trolling.

Nothing in preseason is concerning for established starters. Jimmy's performance didn't matter just like Flacco's performance didn't matter. He didn't have to worry about Deforest Buckner, Dee Ford and Nick Bosa coming at him.

Preseason matters to guys competing for a job. I wanted Jimmy to get hit a couple of times and then get up so that he could get that mentally behind him. I wanted him to come away healthy.

If Jimmy played like Flacco with just backup Dlineman coming at him, I would still say it didn't matter.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I would have played him - but, I would not have let him step back and throw. Not, with the condition of the OL. Now, he's going to go into the 3rd preseason game with possibly lost confidence.

to me, the o line is never going to get any better than what it is. so may as well start now

LMFAO. That, literally, might have been the original thought. Lynch didn't look too comfortable up in that booth.

good, he knew the damn line was a problem. overall this past off season. he set still on the line. when you set still you lose ground and when you lose ground you lose a job. i hope him standing still and doing the hoping and dreaming and hoping that dreams come true here with the line does not lose us a qb for the year

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by okdkid:
You can still be a Niners fan, love Garoppolo, hope he crushes it and not make excuses for his self-created awful performance. He was clearly scared to play yesterday. I don't know how that can be debated. We are all hoping he shakes it off.

Is it really excuses though?

Yes.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
This is essentially Jimmy's first year in Kyle's offense, we tend to forget that. It ain't gonna look pretty all the time

you tell that to those in this thread who have breathlessly predicted comeback player of the year. 4000 yards 35 touchdowns,, and you know its been done. the philosophy all all should be.... take it easy. ease him back, it is a well known fact your first year after an acl is not going to be stellar, those posters who love to use excuses for kyle and lynch should be happy to know they can kick the can further down the road. this was an 8 win team in my opinion with a healthy jimmy and if he is going to have some peaks and valleys and if our o line remains garbage. which it most likely will. we may have to revise downward

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
rust? he's been making those throws/decisions since he got here.

but but but 5 games in 2017

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I'm not a Cohn fan but he didn't say anything that outrageous. "Wouldn't panic over Jimmy yet, but his performance was very concerning. Needs to improve in KC or Kyle should consider playing Nick to start the season" not really trolling.

lol he literally suggested that Garoppolo might not be the best QB on the roster. Even after Mullens looked off in the same game. Cohn adds in just enough plausible reasons to keep from looking like a total heretic, but his ideas are always based on ridiculous suggestions.

It's just plain absurdity to suggest that someone should pull their starter because of pre-season games, lol. Like, that's the worst idea in the world. Pre-season means nothing. There's no real game-planning any which way. Fangio's defense is a tough one to go against, that's not to make excuses more to say it's no reason to hit the panic button.

The only real thing we can know for certain after that game is that Denver's defense is going to be legit. Like, scary. Fangio has always been a great defensive guy and now he has two MONSTER pass rushers to play with as well. His defense is tailor made for that kind of scenario. I'd be surprised if they're not the #1 defense this year.

Jimmy didn't look good, but he's going to start week 1.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Unless JG plays with confidence in week 3 of the pre-season, I think you have to consider starting him in the week 4 pre-season game. If the reasoning is all about getting reps and "shaking off the cobwebs" then the pre-season is the perfect time. Let him go deep into the game 3 of the pre-season and at least 1.5 quarters of the 4th game.

I am starting to think that its not " cobwebs" and more so that he may not be that good. If he does not produce in the next couple games start Mullens week 1 with the intent of hopefully sending a signal that he needs to produce. JG is a highly paid professional football player and its time the step up and be the franchise QB. He has been in the league long enough that during last nights game, he have shown a higher level of confidence regardless of the OL. He is suppose to have a high football intelligence and quick release which should negate some OL issues. Its time to stop coddling him.

He has a whopping 10 starts under his belt and the oline is terrible. PP is worse now than when JG got here.

Long term I think he will be fine. Saturday vs. KC will be very telling. Week 3 is more important for Garoppolo than most (any?) other QBs in the NFL this year.

In his short career, Garoppolo has had the penchant for throwing some dumb picks (or should have been picks). Hopefully merely a byproduct of basically not playing NFL football at all -- like you'd expect from a rookie QB.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Then he should have stayed in the game with the starting OL against the 2nd string Denver defense beacause come Week 1, it will be the starters with no excuses.

if Vic knows what Shanahans intentions are, why can't Shanhan predict/adjust to what VIcs intentions are? Maybe give JG some screens, short passes, establish the running game to soften the pass rush until the second defense enters the field.

i think kyle thinks he will just wow teams. then when teams actually adjust., kyle is either unable or unwilling to respond in kind. remember kyle has only proven he can be a good OC and not a head coach. i understand cc has went and down it but it is the truth

Originally posted by snackdaddy:
Maybe Shanahan should have considered doing what the Rams do. Most of their starters are not playing in the preseason. McVay doesn't care if they go 0-4 and only score a few points per game. They get most their work done in scrimmages against other teams. Not near as much injury risk and they get live game simulation against other starters. They did the same thing last year and started the season 8-0 with a very healthy team. This is the 3rd year of Shanahan's offense so there shouldn't be as much concern about continuity.

Even from just practice we'll be lucky to have a healthy team week 1.

Shanny is no fan of pre-season and I don't think how much/little teams play starter in pre-season really has anything to do with win/loss. There's coaches out there who will play their starters 3/4 of a game week 3, others yank them halfway through the 2nd qtr or don't even play some guys in the 3rd game, let alone the others. The Rams aren't a great example simply because they were a very talented team, setup well with a QB on a rookie deal and were making a SB run.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by okdkid:
You can still be a Niners fan, love Garoppolo, hope he crushes it and not make excuses for his self-created awful performance. He was clearly scared to play yesterday. I don't know how that can be debated. We are all hoping he shakes it off.

Is it really excuses though?

Yes.

I mean I would agree with you if I was more of a die hard slippery steps fan that just so happen to turn the channel to some sport called football.