Should the niners trade for or sign a FA QB next year?

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Dick Jauron just got axed in Buffalo. That means the new coaching regime may not be as loyal to Trent Edwards.

How about Trent Edwards for a 5th round pick?

not really...Edwards is garbage to, basically a younger Shaun Hill

Trent Edwards is better than Shaun Hill in every aspect. Only thing Shaun Hill has on Edwards is durability.

I feel Edwards career will be cut short with recurring concussions.

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Billy Volek out of SD. He's better than anyone here and he's stuck behind Rivers.

Good point. Chargers have Whitehurst (now that's a cool name) backing up Rivers.

Only problem with Volek is age. Not really QB of the future if you know what I mean.

No use draft picks and FA pick ups to fix the OLine

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih?? Quinn has played 9 games in 3 years starting only 4, that's hardly a half of season of game play. Oh and I guess the change of coordinator doesn't apply to him either??

I still would take him over ANY QB on our roster, give him just has much opportunity to succeed as Smith did, and I bet we see a different Brady Quinn. Oh and Mangini sucks as a head coach, tell me, why isn't Anderson putting up the kind of numbers he did in '07??

Dude I watched him alot more than one game. You know us midwesterners don't get all them west coast games. I think it's funny that what I was telling you he was. Is exactly what you got last night. Judging him off one game. LOL I merely just pointed out his last game.

Tuthfully, Derek Anderson isn't putting up the numbers he did in 07 because his receivers hasn't bailed him out like they did that season. Not even last year. If you actually watched Anderson that season you would have seen how horrible he was. He threw horrible passes that his receivers HAD to make a play on. The last 2 seasons they ain't been making them.

But back to Quinn. You can make any excuse you want. OC, Head coach, supporting cast or whatever your heart desires. The bottom line is he still doesn't throw the ball past 5 yards. Not even in college. Aside from the jumpballs to Stovall and Samardja. Which is why he's Shaun Hill east.

Living in Ohio i'm forced to watch more Browns and Steeler games then I care to. But even still I work with enough die hards that tells me the same thing i'm seeing. Not that I need them to tell me that.

With that said. It's very likely he couldn't do any worse than what we have. So I will agree with you to that extent.

Well is it the fact that Quinn is not comfortable with the playbook yet, or is it that his coaches tell him to manage the game as opposed to take a chance down field and gamble here and there?? If you recall Garcia was the same way when he first got into this offense, Fred Beasley was actually our leading passer at one point. But when he finally got use to the playbook he started to take more shots down field. Again, Quinn has only started, what, 4.5 games played in 9, how do you gauge a QB from that?? Maybe its a change of scenery that he needs or a new offense. But you cannot deny that he make all the throws in the NFL, you're acting like his arm is weak.

Again, I'd take him over ANY QB we have on the roster right now, Brian Brohm, who we could've snagged off of GB's practice Squad. Really don't know why GB gave up on Brohm so early??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih?? Quinn has played 9 games in 3 years starting only 4, that's hardly a half of season of game play. Oh and I guess the change of coordinator doesn't apply to him either??

I still would take him over ANY QB on our roster, give him just has much opportunity to succeed as Smith did, and I bet we see a different Brady Quinn. Oh and Mangini sucks as a head coach, tell me, why isn't Anderson putting up the kind of numbers he did in '07??

Dude I watched him alot more than one game. You know us midwesterners don't get all them west coast games. I think it's funny that what I was telling you he was. Is exactly what you got last night. Judging him off one game. LOL I merely just pointed out his last game.

Tuthfully, Derek Anderson isn't putting up the numbers he did in 07 because his receivers hasn't bailed him out like they did that season. Not even last year. If you actually watched Anderson that season you would have seen how horrible he was. He threw horrible passes that his receivers HAD to make a play on. The last 2 seasons they ain't been making them.

But back to Quinn. You can make any excuse you want. OC, Head coach, supporting cast or whatever your heart desires. The bottom line is he still doesn't throw the ball past 5 yards. Not even in college. Aside from the jumpballs to Stovall and Samardja. Which is why he's Shaun Hill east.

Living in Ohio i'm forced to watch more Browns and Steeler games then I care to. But even still I work with enough die hards that tells me the same thing i'm seeing. Not that I need them to tell me that.

With that said. It's very likely he couldn't do any worse than what we have. So I will agree with you to that extent.

Well is it the fact that Quinn is not comfortable with the playbook yet, or is it that his coaches tell him to manage the game as opposed to take a chance down field and gamble here and there?? If you recall Garcia was the same way when he first got into this offense, Fred Beasley was actually our leading passer at one point. But when he finally got use to the playbook he started to take more shots down field. Again, Quinn has only started, what, 4.5 games played in 9, how do you gauge a QB from that?? Maybe its a change of scenery that he needs or a new offense. But you cannot deny that he make all the throws in the NFL, you're acting like his arm is weak.

Again, I'd take him over ANY QB we have on the roster right now, Brian Brohm, who we could've snagged off of GB's practice Squad. Really don't know why GB gave up on Brohm so early??

His arm is not weak. We all know that. But that's neither here nor there.

You don't need a strong arm to try and throw the ball down field.


I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I'll continue to see what he's showing me. Well not showing me to make my assessment. You keep using his strong arm potential to make yours.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih?? Quinn has played 9 games in 3 years starting only 4, that's hardly a half of season of game play. Oh and I guess the change of coordinator doesn't apply to him either??

I still would take him over ANY QB on our roster, give him just has much opportunity to succeed as Smith did, and I bet we see a different Brady Quinn. Oh and Mangini sucks as a head coach, tell me, why isn't Anderson putting up the kind of numbers he did in '07??

Dude I watched him alot more than one game. You know us midwesterners don't get all them west coast games. I think it's funny that what I was telling you he was. Is exactly what you got last night. Judging him off one game. LOL I merely just pointed out his last game.

Tuthfully, Derek Anderson isn't putting up the numbers he did in 07 because his receivers hasn't bailed him out like they did that season. Not even last year. If you actually watched Anderson that season you would have seen how horrible he was. He threw horrible passes that his receivers HAD to make a play on. The last 2 seasons they ain't been making them.

But back to Quinn. You can make any excuse you want. OC, Head coach, supporting cast or whatever your heart desires. The bottom line is he still doesn't throw the ball past 5 yards. Not even in college. Aside from the jumpballs to Stovall and Samardja. Which is why he's Shaun Hill east.

Living in Ohio i'm forced to watch more Browns and Steeler games then I care to. But even still I work with enough die hards that tells me the same thing i'm seeing. Not that I need them to tell me that.

With that said. It's very likely he couldn't do any worse than what we have. So I will agree with you to that extent.

Well is it the fact that Quinn is not comfortable with the playbook yet, or is it that his coaches tell him to manage the game as opposed to take a chance down field and gamble here and there?? If you recall Garcia was the same way when he first got into this offense, Fred Beasley was actually our leading passer at one point. But when he finally got use to the playbook he started to take more shots down field. Again, Quinn has only started, what, 4.5 games played in 9, how do you gauge a QB from that?? Maybe its a change of scenery that he needs or a new offense. But you cannot deny that he make all the throws in the NFL, you're acting like his arm is weak.

Again, I'd take him over ANY QB we have on the roster right now, Brian Brohm, who we could've snagged off of GB's practice Squad. Really don't know why GB gave up on Brohm so early??

His arm is not weak. We all know that. But that's neither here nor there.

You don't need a strong arm to try and throw the ball down field.


I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I'll continue to see what he's showing me. Well not showing me to make my assessment. You keep using his strong arm potential to make yours.

Do you not remember what Hill's passes looked like? I believe they were described as coming down like punts. that is what happens when you don't have arm strength

Originally posted by backontop:

Do you not remember what Hill's passes looked like? I believe they were described as coming down like punts. that is what happens when you don't have arm strength

That isn't due to arm strength. Arm strength has nothing to do with how the ball looks coming out of your hand. Arm strength only measures Distance and Velocity.

Arm strength isn't what makes a perfect spiral.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by backontop:

Do you not remember what Hill's passes looked like? I believe they were described as coming down like punts. that is what happens when you don't have arm strength

That isn't due to arm strength. Arm strength has nothing to do with how the ball looks coming out of your hand. Arm strength only measures Distance and Velocity.

Arm strength isn't what makes a perfect spiral.

well his passes came down like punts because they didn't have any velocity.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by backontop:

Do you not remember what Hill's passes looked like? I believe they were described as coming down like punts. that is what happens when you don't have arm strength

That isn't due to arm strength. Arm strength has nothing to do with how the ball looks coming out of your hand. Arm strength only measures Distance and Velocity.

Arm strength isn't what makes a perfect spiral.

I agree. I think it has more to do with following through with your pass and how you release the ball. As for Hill, if you watch how he passes, he never follows through on a consistent basis. Compare Hill's mechanics to Pennington's and you'd see Pennington with not so much arm strength either throws a nice spiral.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
i think next years draft class is not very storng with Bradford being injured and McCoy just doesn't impress me and i don't even think Tebow will go in the 1st round...anyways i think the niners should sign a FA QB now i don't know the list of 2010 FA QB's but if there isn't any good one's i think we should trade for one we could use one of our 1st round picks if that's what it would take.

I would rather have a proven veteran QB than a rookie QB. That way in the draft we could focus on our OL and a pass rusher.

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Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by backontop:

Do you not remember what Hill's passes looked like? I believe they were described as coming down like punts. that is what happens when you don't have arm strength

That isn't due to arm strength. Arm strength has nothing to do with how the ball looks coming out of your hand. Arm strength only measures Distance and Velocity.

Arm strength isn't what makes a perfect spiral.

well his passes came down like punts because they didn't have any velocity.

They come down like punts because they are not spirals. Throwing Ducks/wobblers takes velocity and distance off the ball. Which again has nothing to do with arm strength.

I know, let's trade for Jamarcus.

What was that now frizay about Quinn not wanting to throw deep??

Originally posted by Kolohe:
What was that now frizay about Quinn not wanting to throw deep??

What was that Folohe about judging a QB after one game?

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LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
What was that now frizay about Quinn not wanting to throw deep??

What was that Folohe about judging a QB after one game?

Quote:
LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih

It only works when it is in his favor