Should the niners trade for or sign a FA QB next year?

Originally posted by E-49er:
I think they are going to have to trade for a QB. There isn't alot of proven winners that are Free agents. The best of the crop looks to be Kyle Orton but he will probably be extended in Denver. One guyon the list that is going to be interesting is Culpepper. Here is the list.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I'd have to say that Pennington and Tavaris Jackson are better than Orton. Orton is in a QB-friendly offense. Pennington is getting up their in age and has had too many serious injuries.

I don't see us pursuing Jackson though. Alex is our man next season and unless we find some other young prospect, Davis is just going to keep being groomed as a future starter. I think the team feels content to give Smith a full season under his belt and see if he's the guy or not. Since Scott drafted Smith #1, he desperately wants Alex to succeed. He'll get every chance to do so.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by E-49er:
I think they are going to have to trade for a QB. There isn't alot of proven winners that are Free agents. The best of the crop looks to be Kyle Orton but he will probably be extended in Denver. One guyon the list that is going to be interesting is Culpepper. Here is the list.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I'd have to say that Pennington and Tavaris Jackson are better than Orton. Orton is in a QB-friendly offense. Pennington is getting up their in age and has had too many serious injuries.

I don't see us pursuing Jackson though. Alex is our man next season and unless we find some other young prospect, Davis is just going to keep being groomed as a future starter. I think the team feels content to give Smith a full season under his belt and see if he's the guy or not. Since Scott drafted Smith #1, he desperately wants Alex to succeed. He'll get every chance to do so.

I don't know about Pennington.3 Shoulder surgerires is unheard of for a QB and he didnt have the strongest arm to begin with. I agree with you on Jackson. I also think if they go with Alex as the starter without a backup plan other than Hill they will end up the same place that they are this year. They need to bring a veteran QB with a descent arm in. I wouldn't draft a QB because we have Davis and he appears to be the future but we need a veteran backup that can step in and perform if Smith gets injured.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih?? Quinn has played 9 games in 3 years starting only 4, that's hardly a half of season of game play. Oh and I guess the change of coordinator doesn't apply to him either??

I still would take him over ANY QB on our roster, give him just has much opportunity to succeed as Smith did, and I bet we see a different Brady Quinn. Oh and Mangini sucks as a head coach, tell me, why isn't Anderson putting up the kind of numbers he did in '07??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Even in college he was a check down guy. (with the exception of inaccurate jumpballs to Samardja*** and Stovall) He gets in a year or 2 a go. Check down check down check down. Starts this year off. Check down check down check down.

He's the same thing Shaun Hill was.

Not a fan of Quinn I get it, but I do have to disagree with you, on all that check down stuff. Anyway my list who I want:

Sam Bradford - before anyone else. If Berry isn't there, we need to take him, better than what we have now I the roster.
Ryan Mallett - If he declares for the draft.
Greg McElroy - If he declares for the draft.
Dan LeFevour - No higher than the 2nd round.
Tim Hiller - This guy could be the surprise of the draft.
Brady Quinn - Trade

According to Walterfootball.com the 2010 free agency class for QB's looks weak.

I get to work today. I see one of the Browns fans and said "Awesome game last night" He said "man it was brutal. I just kept yelling at the T.V. Brady pleeeeeeaaaassssseee throw the ball past 5 yards. Who cares if you throw an Int. Your short passes are getting picked off anyway. Atleast make them go 60-70 yards." I started laughing. Then he said. "when he finally did. I see why he doesn't. How can a guy be so consistent at being inaccurate."




jsut saying......

LOL how you judge a QB off one game, now you see why people do the same with Smtih?? Quinn has played 9 games in 3 years starting only 4, that's hardly a half of season of game play. Oh and I guess the change of coordinator doesn't apply to him either??

I still would take him over ANY QB on our roster, give him just has much opportunity to succeed as Smith did, and I bet we see a different Brady Quinn. Oh and Mangini sucks as a head coach, tell me, why isn't Anderson putting up the kind of numbers he did in '07??

Dude I watched him alot more than one game. You know us midwesterners don't get all them west coast games. I think it's funny that what I was telling you he was. Is exactly what you got last night. Judging him off one game. LOL I merely just pointed out his last game.

Tuthfully, Derek Anderson isn't putting up the numbers he did in 07 because his receivers hasn't bailed him out like they did that season. Not even last year. If you actually watched Anderson that season you would have seen how horrible he was. He threw horrible passes that his receivers HAD to make a play on. The last 2 seasons they ain't been making them.

But back to Quinn. You can make any excuse you want. OC, Head coach, supporting cast or whatever your heart desires. The bottom line is he still doesn't throw the ball past 5 yards. Not even in college. Aside from the jumpballs to Stovall and Samardja. Which is why he's Shaun Hill east.

Living in Ohio i'm forced to watch more Browns and Steeler games then I care to. But even still I work with enough die hards that tells me the same thing i'm seeing. Not that I need them to tell me that.

With that said. It's very likely he couldn't do any worse than what we have. So I will agree with you to that extent.

Just for gits and shiggles from a Browns board. Thread coincidentally titled "Quinn throwing Long..."

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I really want Quinn to be successful, but why is it that when he throws a ball over 8 yards, he is so damn inaccurate. Seriously....I think the rest of his game would be good with receivers who could catch, and a good ofensive line. Don't they have a qb coach, or can't Bernie help this kid? I don't think it's arm strength. His passes didn't look that bad.....just always overthrown......out of the field of play.....I mean they looked bad in that respect, but not wobbling, lame ducks

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Don't get to excited yet. The long one to cribbs wasn't a bad throw at all, just a little out of reach. I was leaving the staduim on the last drive, and they said that the last few throws were pretty bad, and the one to MoMass was a duck but was catchable. Give him a few games to settle in and see if it comes around.

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Quinn is what he is..He's is an inaccurate QB on medium and long balls
You can give all the excuses you want but in 3 1/2 games now he has
convinced me.

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It's as if he's just lost it on deep throws. I know there were many variables and all, but for him to throw the ball 15 yards out of bounds TWICE IN A ROW at the end of the game with virtually no pressure, it really worries be that he has the yips.

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Why are we so desperate for Quinn to throw long ? Im ok with dink and dunk as long as it moves the ball. We just need to make sure that our receivers / TE's are open when Quinn throws towards them. The way it was in the first half.

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What i will say about Quinn (and it was said a lot last night during the game) is that when he is running the offence it is ALWAYS short passes and screens regardless of down and distance. If hes really not capable of throwing downfield, then he cant play in he nfl.. and if its just the playcalling, theen he should probably start calling some audibles if he wants to keep his job. When your offence CANNOT score touchdowns you probably shouldnt wait until ur down 16 points before you start throwing the ball.

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You can only throw so many 5 yard passes and screens before the opposing defense realizes you won't throw downfield and starts to shrink the field...

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Brady Quinn really sparked the offense tonight

As much as I hate to say it, I'd much rather watch DA play for the Browns for the rest of the season than watch BQ out there. At least it feels like we have a real drive here or there with DA. BQ you know you'll get a couple check downs and a punt everytime...

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Seriously, you guys. I was getting nauseated watching this dink-miss-dunk-miss-tip-dink-crash BS for the ENTIRE game. It was like being on a malfunctioning carnival ride. The Browns are truly football-retarded.

at the last one

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trade for Brady Quinn or draft Sam Bradford, Dan Lefevour or Greg McElroy (if he comes out).

Brady Quinn = Shaun Hill East



With you on Bradford

Nah, I just think Quinn needs to be on a different team. No one is gonna succeed with Mangini there. Quinn has a pretty good arm, footwork and poise in the pocket, worked in a Pro offense in college, he just needs a different team.

Brady Quinn could develop into a very good QB if he were on the right team. What impressed me most about him is that he played for a mediocre Notre Dame team but still came up with some good performances.

Unfortunately, he's still playing for a very mediocre (if not inept) team. If he stays with this team and they continue to be a hapless team, they could ruin him for life.

In regards to drafting a QB, I really like Tim Tebow and his demeanor and ability to run. He reminds me of the likes of a Steve Young, Rich Gannon and John Elway who have escapabilities and can beat you with their feet. He has the size and the accuracy while throwing on the run.

Dick Jauron just got axed in Buffalo. That means the new coaching regime may not be as loyal to Trent Edwards.

How about Trent Edwards for a 5th round pick?

i'd rather them sign a f/a then draft another one cut shaun hill

After looking at the list of free agents I didn't see much for QB's, but other positions have some talent. There are some really good safeties out there with one being Dawan Landry, Baltimore Ravens. He would be a great FS to add. He makes plays all over the field. The OL free agents are deep also. The TE class is a really good one. If we could add a safety and OL help through free agency, that would really open up the options for the draft.

There is an array of first round busts to choose from.

David Carr
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Micheal Vick

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Dick Jauron just got axed in Buffalo. That means the new coaching regime may not be as loyal to Trent Edwards.

How about Trent Edwards for a 5th round pick?

that would be a good deal

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Dick Jauron just got axed in Buffalo. That means the new coaching regime may not be as loyal to Trent Edwards.

How about Trent Edwards for a 5th round pick?

not really...Edwards is garbage to, basically a younger Shaun Hill

Trade for Tarvaris Jackson of Minnesota?
Trade for Josh Johnson or Byron Leftwich of Tampa Bay?
Trade for Kellen Clemens of New York?

Pickings are really slim.

Billy Volek out of SD. He's better than anyone here and he's stuck behind Rivers.