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Does Alex Smith have any Trade Value???

Originally posted by redrathman:
You're right. Bill Polian was probably reading this thread and was all yeah taney71 is right, I'm gonna deal a second round pick for Alex but then ninersrule4 was all Lol and Bill was like wait did he just post Lol maybe I shouldn't.

Lol
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by jcashen87:
I just hope this decision doesn't back fire on us, right when i heard Bowman was extended i felt like the writing was on the wall and they were going to move forward with kaep, and while i have been patiently waiting for someone with a bigger skill set to come along, and someone who can make plays happen instead of take whatever you can get with no risk.

But at the same time, i saw Alex start to get a lot better, and start to assert himself as one of the top 10 Qb's this year, i felt like we could do damage with him, personally i think we can win a superbowl with either QB, but i dont really expect it honestly, i would still be happy with any playoff run, that includes a win and a home game to attend. Only one team gets the ultimate prize, we are one of 6 teams that i feel has the legit shot, but we still dont have an Elite Qb no matter which one we play, and our Offense as a whole doesn't have the same type of WR's and the play making ability that truly great WR's bring.

But go KAep, i think Alex could fetch at least a 2nd round pick, there should be several teams that would be interested

Smith has gotten better every year he's been healthy. I think he would continue to improve this year and I thought he'd be in the pro bowl at the end of the season. Next year he'll likely be with another team and playing football at a top 10 level imo.

I agree he has made some strides year in and year out that were sometimes significant but not really compared to this year, he wasn't always consistent but not many QB's are right now with all these adderall addicted corners, this year i saw him beat GB, and Beat Detroit and i had a lot of hope, he was doing it with his arm, scoring a couple TD's each game, my biggest knock on Alex this last year and a half was/is he and the offense did not score enough TD's and the running game wasn't close enough a lot of times(1-5 yard line) to punch it in, so we made FG's. In several games this year though i saw him do that(score 2 or more TD's), that is whats bittersweet, but im just hoping Kaep shines and Harbaugh looks like a genius, cause that means we are winning,

I have confidence though that Jim can go back to Alex if Kaep struggles and Alex wont have missed a beat, Alex wants a ring here, and i think even if Jim looks a little foolish doing it, Alex could come step in and play at a high level right away. I dont think he will let some resentment stop that if the opportunity arises. Hes been through too much, he is pretty mentally tough.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
he will ask to be traded once the season is over....I'm sure he is very much ASAP right now
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
he will ask to be traded once the season is over....I'm sure he is very much ASAP right now

Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?

Off season. The trade deadline has passed and the Niners need Smith anyway in case Kaep gets hurt. KC and Arizona would be the two most logical teams for Alex but not sure the Niners would deal with division opponent.
  • Jcool
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Originally posted by taney71:
Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?

If the 49ers want to trade him they will have to pick up his full contract and they have till April 1st to do that.
Originally posted by taney71:
Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?

I also don't think Smith wants the 49ers to trade him either. He'll want to be released in order to pick and choose among potential teams. He might even get better pay as a free agent.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
he will ask to be traded once the season is over....I'm sure he is very much ASAP right now

Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?
IF you wait you lose and his $$$ is still very low
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by taney71:
Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?

If the 49ers want to trade him they will have to pick up his full contract and they have till April 1st to do that.

Am I missing something? I thought it was a 3 year contract...not an option.
Originally posted by Jcool:
If the 49ers want to trade him they will have to pick up his full contract and they have till April 1st to do that.

When does the league year begin? Can they trade him before the option comes about on April 1st?
I think Florio has it right.

Niners have big decision to make on Alex Smith
Posted by Mike Florio on November 27, 2012, 1:57 PM EST
Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick AP

On Sunday, FOX's Jay Glazer pointed out that the 49ers could part ways with quarterback Alex Smith, given that he has $8.5 million due in 2013.

We've gotten a look at the contract, and which lays out the specific formula andtimetable.

For starters, Smith has $1 million in fully-guaranteed salary for 2013. Another $1.5 million is guaranteed for injury only.

The full $7.5 million in base salary becomes fully guaranteed on April 1. Before that, however, a $1 million roster bonus becomes due on the third day of the 2013 league year.

Thus, barring a restructuring, the 49ers will have to decide whether to keep Smith by the third day of the league year, which will come at some point in early March.

Though he's still the starter (according to coach Jim Harbaugh), Smith isn't starting. Unless he's the starting starter at the end of the season, the 49ers likely won't pay that much to a non-starting starter in 2013.

Especially since the starting backup, Colin Kaepernick, will be earning only $590,000 next year, under a contract that can't be renegotiated until 2014.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/niners-have-big-decision-to-make-on-alex-smith/
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
he will ask to be traded once the season is over....I'm sure he is very much ASAP right now

Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?

Nope. You are 100% correct. The 49ers WILL NOT trade Alex SMith. He has no value because of the nature of his contract. Teams know they HAVE to release him (assuming Kaep plays well and remains the starter) because they won't pay him 9 mil to be a backup.

All this dreaming of trading him has no basis in reality. If the Niners WERE able to find a trade partner, his value would be lowered by ALOT because of the nature of the contract.

So basically, assuming Kaep remains the starter, the 49er will release Alex Smith or get next to nothing in trade.

The only way this DOESN'T happen is if the 49ers can convince teams that they don't plan on trading him and if the QB market goes completely nuts in terms of $$$ and teams think they can save significant $$$ by trading for Alex under his existing contract rather than having to bid even higher to get him as a Free Agent. I don't see that happening tho.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Nov 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He should be able to yield a 2nd Round pick.

I would LOVE it if the Niners could get a 2nd rd pick from KC. That would be ideal and would give the Niners:

1 First
2 Seconds
2 Thirds
1 4th
2 Fifths
2 6ths
2 7ths

With the right trades they can set this team up for a long time. I think they will focus on the Defensive side of the ball and get a Pass Rushing OLB, 2 DL, and 2 DBs

My question is when do you trade Alex Smith?
he will ask to be traded once the season is over....I'm sure he is very much ASAP right now

Am I the only one thinking teams will not want to trade for him knowing that the 9ers have to take a cap hit to keep him on the roster? What are people's thinking on that?

Nope. You are 100% correct. The 49ers WILL NOT trade Alex SMith. He has no value because of the nature of his contract. Teams know they HAVE to release him (assuming Kaep plays well and remains the starter) because they won't pay him 9 mil to be a backup.

All this dreaming of trading him has no basis in reality. If the Niners WERE able to find a trade partner, his value would be lowered by ALOT because of the nature of the contract.

So basically, assuming Kaep remains the starter, the 49er will release Alex Smith or get next to nothing in trade.

The only way this DOESN'T happen is if the 49ers can convince teams that they don't plan on trading him and if the QB market goes completely nuts in terms of $$$ and teams think they can save significant $$$ by trading for Alex under his existing contract rather than having to bid even higher to get him as a Free Agent. I don't see that happening tho.

For Alex's sake, I hope you're right..but as a fan, I hope you're wrong. I think the 9ers have the cap space if they get called on it...but what is in the nature of his contract that teams wouldn't want?
  • kush
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Not a shot at Alex but I don't think anyone will trade for him with that contract. He's the type of guy who gets signed to step in while a young QB develops, I can't see a team identifying him as their unquestioned starter and ponying up picks and $$ for him.

Too many of these trades go bad (see Kolb, Cassel) and I'm sure ppl around the league wonder how much he really had to do with the teams success.
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