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concerned about 2/3rds of our defensive line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm worried about all 3 of them not just 2 of the. They all are being pushed around in the run game. And none of the guys on the bench are the answer.

these guys need rest...


+1 We are wearing them out.

Not an excuse after a bye week. Rams OL had no issues firing off on them and the coaches did a nice job using "wham" blocks on us...and even threw a few ST plays. We played the same exact vanilla game.

Exaclty folks need to quit the excuses. They didn't have any depth behind them last year. The same guys aren't performing point blank.
When I re-watched the game I kept an eye on Sopoaga. He got pancaked once. Got blocked off a lot of times; a handful led to big runs and then the one Jackson TD. And a handful that he got blocked off on he wasn't even double teamed. I haven't watched him closely other times but I would believe it that he isn't holding his own like last year. We are still like 7th against the run but to me it's going to be hard to pay him what he wants. He will be 32 early next season, he probably won't have much FA interest so I don't see us giving him much at all if he wants to come back and be closer to home. Also, we run a 4 man front with Brooks, McDonald, Justin and Aldon on passing downs a lot. Also, seen RJF in there a number of times. Sopoaga is definitely seeing less playing time... partly because of the way the game dictates it though. So as an important as a traditional 3 man NT is with how much we have been playing a 4 man front I don't see us paying someone too much. Not sure RJF is the answer; could be a draft pick. Just don't see us giving Sopoaga 5 mil a year. I'd give him like 2-2.5 a year for 2. I don't know; I wouldn't mind a NT who could create a little bit of pressure and collapse the middle of the pocket. Not just hold his own 1-2 yards back. Easier said than done to find those guys. Wonder if they have any hope for Ian Williams. He was pretty soft looking coming in his rookie year; wonder if he has built some muscle up?
Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
I said it before. This upcoming draft we need to spend 2 of the top 4 picks on defensive front 7, preferably on the defensive line.


Great year to do so. It will be loaded with Dline help.
Originally posted by Gore_21:
When I re-watched the game I kept an eye on Sopoaga. He got pancaked once. Got blocked off a lot of times; a handful led to big runs and then the one Jackson TD. And a handful that he got blocked off on he wasn't even double teamed. I haven't watched him closely other times but I would believe it that he isn't holding his own like last year. We are still like 7th against the run but to me it's going to be hard to pay him what he wants. He will be 32 early next season, he probably won't have much FA interest so I don't see us giving him much at all if he wants to come back and be closer to home. Also, we run a 4 man front with Brooks, McDonald, Justin and Aldon on passing downs a lot. Also, seen RJF in there a number of times. Sopoaga is definitely seeing less playing time... partly because of the way the game dictates it though. So as an important as a traditional 3 man NT is with how much we have been playing a 4 man front I don't see us paying someone too much. Not sure RJF is the answer; could be a draft pick. Just don't see us giving Sopoaga 5 mil a year. I'd give him like 2-2.5 a year for 2. I don't know; I wouldn't mind a NT who could create a little bit of pressure and collapse the middle of the pocket. Not just hold his own 1-2 yards back. Easier said than done to find those guys. Wonder if they have any hope for Ian Williams. He was pretty soft looking coming in his rookie year; wonder if he has built some muscle up?


Vet minimum for Sop. He won't see big numbers anywhere.
[ Edited by LBSI9ers on Nov 14, 2012 at 5:41 AM ]
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I couldn't believe Sop got pancaked! I wasn't even watching him but I noticed his ponytail/hair fly backwards into the ground.
I wanted that dline man that pittsburgh got in the 4th round of 2012 draft. He plays NT and will become a good player...l
I have been concerned about our dline since the Vikings game. I gave them a past the first two games due to rust and beginning of a new season. Since we are only 500k under the cap finding FA's aren't a choice. But this draft and I have been saying this for three years now, but we need to draft cline. We have 13 picks for the draft this year I would like to see us dedicate at least three to the dline. JS, IS, and RMac aren't getting any younger and now they can't get penetration nor stop the run consistently.

My belief is the fact that the last two years 2010 and 2011 being on the field a lot more and not rotating our dline in and out to keep them fresh has finally done it's toll on the old bodies. Another reason whoy I have been telling other boards for three years we need to start finding a replacement for IS and JS and I was called all sorts of names. Well now we see the product of that wear and tear.
" Maybe the 49ers are not as good against the run as last year because Sopoaga isn't as stout."--Kevin Lynch

I know we have spoken about the need to have that Mammoth NT like Mt. Cody, but Fangio's D is not predicated on such a player. He works with what he has and something just isn't the same from that front. I remember seeing Dobbs in there, too. I love RJF, but he was a late rounder. We need a new NT and DE to groom. We have some need at FS and OLB, too, for depth. It will be interesting with all our picks this year as to whether or not they would trade up to land one of the top NTs in this year's draft.

I hope they snap out of whatever funk they are in. Tell you what though, we will see how they respond under the lights on Monday.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Great year to do so. It will be loaded with Dline help.

Part of the reason i'm not mad Baalke loaded up on offense in the 2012 draft. The 2013 draft is going to be a good draft to restock at DE/NT and Safety.
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
tomsula needs to step the f*** up cuz the Dline is ruining our whole defense. our Dline cant clog the run like last year and it affects our whole D

Or Fangio needs to wake the f*ck up and start putting 8 in the box

He has tried all season long to have our front 4 take on the entire O-line and watch them roll up 100 yards in a half this season only to make adjustments after the half. Dropping 8 back into coverage works well to stop the pass but now teams are gashing us in the run game.

And what about blitzes? How many times have you seen Willis on a blitz? I cant remember one time. Bowman? Maybe three times a game.

Fangio and our passive "we will beat you man to man" defense is just not working anymore.
The Niners wore the starting three into the ground last year. Smith/McDonald/Sopoaga taking mnajoiryt of snaps. With an aging Justin Smith, Sopaga, they need to rotate D linemen to keep them fresh.

I also think RJF is a better3-4 DE than NT, Ian Williams needs to be active, rotated in at NT. IF he cannot get the job done then rotate in RJF, if he cannot, then they need to find a NT in FA or draft.

Same for DE. RJF and Tukuafua need extensive rotations. Rest the starters at least 25% of snaps. If they cannot do the job then they need to be replaced next year.
And this is what frustrates me about drafting Jenkins and then James. First and second rounders are typically contributors almost immediately. We could have drafted a decent pass rusher.

Derek Wolfe #36 Denver - 3 sacks
Andre Branch #38 Jax
Yes, Sopoaga is a concern. He's not a great defensive tackle and is probably the weakest link in our D. He's not terrible by any means, but I think that is a position that could be upgraded in the draft.
Originally posted by UKNiners:
And this is what frustrates me about drafting Jenkins and then James. First and second rounders are typically contributors almost immediately. We could have drafted a decent pass rusher.

Derek Wolfe #36 Denver - 3 sacks
Andre Branch #38 Jax

Kendall Reyes.
Sylvester Williams from North Carolina by trading up to mid first