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Weekly Greg Cossell Analysis

Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Cosell just looks like a giant douce

Sorta looks like a cross between David Duchovny and George "W"
Wasn't the pass to Vernon for 25 yards?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Cossell seems knowledgeable and bright. However, he also has an ego. Having taken the prior position that Smith is - in the vernacular - "teh suxx0rs," he now has decided to stick with that theme and offer limited, backhanded appreciation, rather than simply stating, "I may have spoken too soon" about his prior comments.

In sum, while he raises valid points about Smith's limitations (and most of us admit that he has shown limitations and has room for improvement), I think that Cossell's analysis is partially colored by his preexisting bias and ego.

If that was the case I doubt radio stations all over the country would be calling him up for his opinions.

Totally disagree. He knows what he is talking about, generally. He also properly points out legitimate areas that need improvement in Smith's game. However, since he cannot believe that Smith could have the success that he currently having, he feels compelled to couch the complements by crediting coaching, scheme, WRs, etc. etc....anything but Smith OR saying that maybe...JUST MAYBE... he jumped the gun in prior analyses and Smith is better than he expected.

Just my take...

Again...exactly right.

Cossell DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about, but he DOESN'T know whats in the head of the coach or coordinator. You don't know what instructions Alex has on any given play so he has to extrapolate his OPINION on what is called and what he executes.

If you are already biased against a player and you see him play conservatively, you automatically say its because they lack confidense in him. You miss the fact that the coaches just might be conservative to begin with and Alex is doing exactly what would be asked of ANY player in that O.

If you were to listen to Cossell all last year you would see that Alexs game against the Saints was an impossibility.

This is grasping at straws.

That could be said about any QB or any player. In fact, Cossell mentions that often also and he stresses that his knowledge is ONLY to the extent of what the film shows and he doesn't know what the play is intended for in the coach's mind. However, he does use his experience and knowledge along with actually talking to NFL coaches to formulate his opinion.

If every analyst takes the bold into consideration, then no player can be evaluated properly. No one can ever mention any weaknesses a player displays. Heck, no one can ever accurately say if a player is playing well either.


As for not saying he has "spoken too soon",Alex has yet to prove Cossell wrong. A play or two or a game or two in a career does not cut it and will not convince anyone. Also, being in an offense that appears to especially "make it easy" for a QB proves Cossell right more than anything.

If Cossell said what you state and then stopped I would appreciate him more. But he always goes on to say something like...I only know what's on the film...but what I think Harbaugh is thinking is Smith can't make the tough plays, etc. His need to put words in coaches mouths makes him much less credible. This takes him from observer to seer, not a very objective pundit.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Nov 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Cossell seems knowledgeable and bright. However, he also has an ego. Having taken the prior position that Smith is - in the vernacular - "teh suxx0rs," he now has decided to stick with that theme and offer limited, backhanded appreciation, rather than simply stating, "I may have spoken too soon" about his prior comments.

In sum, while he raises valid points about Smith's limitations (and most of us admit that he has shown limitations and has room for improvement), I think that Cossell's analysis is partially colored by his preexisting bias and ego.

If that was the case I doubt radio stations all over the country would be calling him up for his opinions.

Totally disagree. He knows what he is talking about, generally. He also properly points out legitimate areas that need improvement in Smith's game. However, since he cannot believe that Smith could have the success that he currently having, he feels compelled to couch the complements by crediting coaching, scheme, WRs, etc. etc....anything but Smith OR saying that maybe...JUST MAYBE... he jumped the gun in prior analyses and Smith is better than he expected.

Just my take...

Again...exactly right.

Cossell DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about, but he DOESN'T know whats in the head of the coach or coordinator. You don't know what instructions Alex has on any given play so he has to extrapolate his OPINION on what is called and what he executes.

If you are already biased against a player and you see him play conservatively, you automatically say its because they lack confidense in him. You miss the fact that the coaches just might be conservative to begin with and Alex is doing exactly what would be asked of ANY player in that O.

If you were to listen to Cossell all last year you would see that Alexs game against the Saints was an impossibility.

This is grasping at straws.

That could be said about any QB or any player. In fact, Cossell mentions that often also and he stresses that his knowledge is ONLY to the extent of what the film shows and he doesn't know what the play is intended for in the coach's mind. However, he does use his experience and knowledge along with actually talking to NFL coaches to formulate his opinion.

If every analyst takes the bold into consideration, then no player can be evaluated properly. No one can ever mention any weaknesses a player displays. Heck, no one can ever accurately say if a player is playing well either.


As for not saying he has "spoken too soon",Alex has yet to prove Cossell wrong. A play or two or a game or two in a career does not cut it and will not convince anyone. Also, being in an offense that appears to especially "make it easy" for a QB proves Cossell right more than anything.

If Cossell said what you state and then stopped I would appreciate him more. But he always goes on to say something like...I only know what's on the film...but what I think Harbaugh is thinking is Smith can't make the tough plays, etc. His need to put words in coaches mouths makes him much less credible. This takes him from observer to seer, not a very objective pundit.

I listen to sports shows/podcasts everyday at work so I hear Cossell several times a week. He is always saying things as if he knows exactly what the coaches are thinking or trying to do in certain situations. Like he is privy to the coaches gameplan week to week. And he comes to these conclusions by just watching the film........
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
With analysis like this, it's so clear now what an expert this guy is. Wow. Awesome stuff.



Agreed my 10 year old would say the same things.

Stats are for losers.
[ Edited by SFTifoso on Nov 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Cossell seems knowledgeable and bright. However, he also has an ego. Having taken the prior position that Smith is - in the vernacular - "teh suxx0rs," he now has decided to stick with that theme and offer limited, backhanded appreciation, rather than simply stating, "I may have spoken too soon" about his prior comments.

In sum, while he raises valid points about Smith's limitations (and most of us admit that he has shown limitations and has room for improvement), I think that Cossell's analysis is partially colored by his preexisting bias and ego.

If that was the case I doubt radio stations all over the country would be calling him up for his opinions.

Totally disagree. He knows what he is talking about, generally. He also properly points out legitimate areas that need improvement in Smith's game. However, since he cannot believe that Smith could have the success that he currently having, he feels compelled to couch the complements by crediting coaching, scheme, WRs, etc. etc....anything but Smith OR saying that maybe...JUST MAYBE... he jumped the gun in prior analyses and Smith is better than he expected.

Just my take...

Again...exactly right.

Cossell DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about, but he DOESN'T know whats in the head of the coach or coordinator. You don't know what instructions Alex has on any given play so he has to extrapolate his OPINION on what is called and what he executes.

If you are already biased against a player and you see him play conservatively, you automatically say its because they lack confidense in him. You miss the fact that the coaches just might be conservative to begin with and Alex is doing exactly what would be asked of ANY player in that O.

If you were to listen to Cossell all last year you would see that Alexs game against the Saints was an impossibility.

This is grasping at straws.

That could be said about any QB or any player. In fact, Cossell mentions that often also and he stresses that his knowledge is ONLY to the extent of what the film shows and he doesn't know what the play is intended for in the coach's mind. However, he does use his experience and knowledge along with actually talking to NFL coaches to formulate his opinion.

If every analyst takes the bold into consideration, then no player can be evaluated properly. No one can ever mention any weaknesses a player displays. Heck, no one can ever accurately say if a player is playing well either.


As for not saying he has "spoken too soon",Alex has yet to prove Cossell wrong. A play or two or a game or two in a career does not cut it and will not convince anyone. Also, being in an offense that appears to especially "make it easy" for a QB proves Cossell right more than anything.

If Cossell said what you state and then stopped I would appreciate him more. But he always goes on to say something like...I only know what's on the film...but what I think Harbaugh is thinking is Smith can't make the tough plays, etc. His need to put words in coaches mouths makes him much less credible. This takes him from observer to seer, not a very objective pundit.

He uses his knowledge of everything he has seen and bounced off with other ex players or NFL coaches to form his opinion. Lets say he sees a play of Alex and the desin of that play from the film. He breaks it down and brings it up to an ex coach or QB or current coach off the record and they all confirm his thoughts on what that plays primary outcome was desired to be.
This is where he can confirm his analysis of why that QB didn't make a certain throw.

Now do this over and over seeing many players in many situations while having ex coaches and ex players or current players brains to pick apart as resources for 20 or whatever years. Eventually, your knowledge of a play and how plays are used would be very high.

But no way can a person who has this much wealth of information and resources could ever be credible enough in providing a valid opinion. An opinion Alex Smith has yet to disprove.

Do you think if you experienced what Cossell has and if you have done that for that many years and if you had unlimited access to coaches film and highly knowledgable resources could also learn much more than the average person or even coach? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't unless you can only count to potato.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Cossell seems knowledgeable and bright. However, he also has an ego. Having taken the prior position that Smith is - in the vernacular - "teh suxx0rs," he now has decided to stick with that theme and offer limited, backhanded appreciation, rather than simply stating, "I may have spoken too soon" about his prior comments.

In sum, while he raises valid points about Smith's limitations (and most of us admit that he has shown limitations and has room for improvement), I think that Cossell's analysis is partially colored by his preexisting bias and ego.

EXACTLY.

That was the point I was trying to make before but you said it better. ;-)

When he sees the 49ers bring in Kaep for a play or 2, he says that is because they aren't confident in Alex so they are trying to "manufacture offense". He says "I'm not telling you they lack confidense in him, THEY are telling you that by the way they use him".

Completely lost on him tho is that they ran the offense in a very similar fashion with Andrew Luck at Stanford.

They like misdirection plays. They like trying to trick you or trap you. That's their game. It has nothing to do with confidense in the QB.


Alex can be confounding to anyone. One game he displays really poor decision making and field vision and Cosell looks right. The next it's the opposite. He's been lights out and mediocre. And, Cosell does keep looking for the flaws for the most part instead of saying the guy can ball with the best at times. All the stats over the last few years confirm this. When Alex's head is on straight he is very good. When not he's confounding to watch.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Cossell seems knowledgeable and bright. However, he also has an ego. Having taken the prior position that Smith is - in the vernacular - "teh suxx0rs," he now has decided to stick with that theme and offer limited, backhanded appreciation, rather than simply stating, "I may have spoken too soon" about his prior comments.

In sum, while he raises valid points about Smith's limitations (and most of us admit that he has shown limitations and has room for improvement), I think that Cossell's analysis is partially colored by his preexisting bias and ego.

If that was the case I doubt radio stations all over the country would be calling him up for his opinions.

Totally disagree. He knows what he is talking about, generally. He also properly points out legitimate areas that need improvement in Smith's game. However, since he cannot believe that Smith could have the success that he currently having, he feels compelled to couch the complements by crediting coaching, scheme, WRs, etc. etc....anything but Smith OR saying that maybe...JUST MAYBE... he jumped the gun in prior analyses and Smith is better than he expected.

Just my take...

Again...exactly right.

Cossell DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about, but he DOESN'T know whats in the head of the coach or coordinator. You don't know what instructions Alex has on any given play so he has to extrapolate his OPINION on what is called and what he executes.

If you are already biased against a player and you see him play conservatively, you automatically say its because they lack confidense in him. You miss the fact that the coaches just might be conservative to begin with and Alex is doing exactly what would be asked of ANY player in that O.

If you were to listen to Cossell all last year you would see that Alexs game against the Saints was an impossibility.

This is grasping at straws.

That could be said about any QB or any player. In fact, Cossell mentions that often also and he stresses that his knowledge is ONLY to the extent of what the film shows and he doesn't know what the play is intended for in the coach's mind. However, he does use his experience and knowledge along with actually talking to NFL coaches to formulate his opinion.

If every analyst takes the bold into consideration, then no player can be evaluated properly. No one can ever mention any weaknesses a player displays. Heck, no one can ever accurately say if a player is playing well either.


As for not saying he has "spoken too soon",Alex has yet to prove Cossell wrong. A play or two or a game or two in a career does not cut it and will not convince anyone. Also, being in an offense that appears to especially "make it easy" for a QB proves Cossell right more than anything.

If Cossell said what you state and then stopped I would appreciate him more. But he always goes on to say something like...I only know what's on the film...but what I think Harbaugh is thinking is Smith can't make the tough plays, etc. His need to put words in coaches mouths makes him much less credible. This takes him from observer to seer, not a very objective pundit.

He uses his knowledge of everything he has seen and bounced off with other ex players or NFL coaches to form his opinion. Lets say he sees a play of Alex and the desin of that play from the film. He breaks it down and brings it up to an ex coach or QB or current coach off the record and they all confirm his thoughts on what that plays primary outcome was desired to be.
This is where he can confirm his analysis of why that QB didn't make a certain throw.

Now do this over and over seeing many players in many situations while having ex coaches and ex players or current players brains to pick apart as resources for 20 or whatever years. Eventually, your knowledge of a play and how plays are used would be very high.

But no way can a person who has this much wealth of information and resources could ever be credible enough in providing a valid opinion. An opinion Alex Smith has yet to disprove.

Do you think if you experienced what Cossell has and if you have done that for that many years and if you had unlimited access to coaches film and highly knowledgable resources could also learn much more than the average person or even coach? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't unless you can only count to potato.

I've never heard or read anywhere that this is what he does. I've been listening to him for years. Do have a link or any other proof to back this claim up?
Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Stats are for losers.

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Stats are for losers.


loserball...i swear Justin should go down in the 49er Hall of Fame at the very damn least. one of the best FAs 49er history
Smith: only threw 3 passes more than 10 yards. Not one over 20. Can't live like that week to week.

He's been saying that since last season's week 1.
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Stats are for losers.


loserball...i swear Justin should go down in the 49er Hall of Fame at the very damn least. one of the best FAs 49er history

haha LOSERBALL. I love it.

On a side note, it looks like he is wearind shoulder pads. But he's not. Those are his shoulders. lol
id probably have a better judgement on whether cosell is a credible source if i heard his opinions other than alex smith---
on smith, i think he became entrenched in a position early on and is loath to change it much
Originally posted by hofer36:
id probably have a better judgement on whether cosell is a credible source if i heard his opinions other than alex smith---
on smith, i think he became entrenched in a position early on and is loath to change it much

Yeah, he knows his stuff but the guy has a huge ego. Also, he is human so he has his biases. He will never want to admit that he may have misjudged a player.