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SanDiego49er · 2012-10-15T12:49:45-07:00

1) OLB Pass Rushers - Parys Haralson and Darious Fleming injuries - OLB debth is very thin. Our pass rushers don't get the same rotation that they did in the past. They are gassed and not as effective. We have a huge problem at OLB pass rusher I think. If we get another injury or somebody goes down we are in big trouble. 2) Special Teams - Not so special this year. We just had to have all that extra RB, WR and DL depth of guys who never play. Plus Brandon Jacobs, Jenkins and LMJ who don't play. And we absolutely had to keep Dixon. Who is buried so deep on the RB depth chart he doesn't contribute. To top it off he is a subpar, slow special teams guy. You can't tell me there wasn't room for Cartwright and Colin Jones both. Now we are paying the price big time. We are sorry we cut them both now. Akers who is normally rock solid has been in a terrible slump this year if you exclude the 63 yarder record. Other than that one I think he is far worse this year. Ginn has been hurt and hasn't had the explosive plays. We were a defense and special teams formula team last year. Our special teams dropoff has been one of the most dramatic I've seen in the NFL in years. From an A to a C- / D+ in one season. That's horrendous. It was partially why we won so many games. 3) QB Situation - Alex is good ahead with a run game and tremendous defense. But to put the game on his shoulders is tough. He has done it a few times. New Orleans in the playoffs, the Eagles last year, several other come from behind wins and a few in his career. But throw and throw and throw doesn't play to his strengths or the teams strengths. Kaepernick is a very raw 2nd year player who is not ready for full time duty. He makes some bad decisions which I think will put us in a bad position if he is the full time starter. It's still a QB driven league. And I just don't see either of them competing with Rodgers, Eli, Matt Ryan in the playoffs. What if we get behind? Alex once in a while has come from behind even in pressure situations like the playoffs. But not everytime. And no way I believe Kaep is ready in a playoff situation like that. Not even regular season. 4) Head Coach / Offensive Coordinator - Maybe they are overthinking this Kaepernick / Tebow Time thing. You just complete a 60 yard pass and you take your starting QB out to go to a QB rotation?.... Come on. You lost all your continuity with that. And got an 11 yard sack and made a FG attempt much harder. It just doesn't make sense. Too much QB rotation, double reverses, trick plays, gimmick plays. Our offense is best when we stick to the fundamentals. 5) Frank Gore - Why do we go away from him in so many games? It's just pass, pass, pass, and more pass. And look at the stat sheet and wonder why we didn't run Gore more? History has shown when we run Gore, control the clock, keep other teams on the bench, it helps our defense and our offense too. Our whole team is more of a powerhouse with that. I can't imagine why we go away fom it? It just doesn't make sense. Goes to coaching too. Maybe too much cute stuff. And not enough of what made us 13 - 3 last year. 6) Kaepernick - Hugely effective early in the year. It seems that the game film has caught up to him now. Teams gameplan for him now. And at least excellent defensive teams like the Giants have figured it out. I expect this effect to continue. He was unknown before. Now he is known. They have a gameplan and a strategy for him. His road will be much tougher now. Plus you could actually argue he messes up our continuity sometimes. Like complete a 60 yard pass, rotate the QB's. take an 11 yard sack and make a FG much tougher. 7) The 79 - 3 illusion - I think the Bills and the Jets are as bad as any teams you can meet. And we played them when they were playing especially bad. I don't read much into that at all. I think those are awful teams and the results may be overblown. 8) Accurate QB's who are moblie or have time to throw pick us apart - Our biggest problems were the Vikings and Giants. One being mobile. The other being one of the most accurate and underrated QB's in football despite winning 2 Super Bowls. I think this goes back to the OLB thinness and problems there. But we have seen we can be picked apart there. This is just not a 13 - 3 good team. I think we can do pretty well. But the OLB pass rusher problems and huge special teams problems lead me to believe a lot more losses are coming. We can still run Gore a lot and play defense. But the thing is our defense is not quite as good this year IMO. Pass rushers at OLB are very thin. And our special teams which would win so many close games for us has dramatically dropped off. It's a bad special teams. It not only won't win games for us. It will lose them. The coaching is too gimmicky. Too many tricks and too much QB rotation. Pound Gore and play defense would be our best bet. But with our awful special teams and OLB being thin I don't think we are even as good at the basics. I'm not completely convinced we are even as good as 4 - 2. We might be a little worse than that.

Oct 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM

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Tru2RedNGold25
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Our best chance to win the Super Bowl was last year STOUT defense could of carried us all the way

Thank you once again Kyle Williams....................who knows how long its going to take to bring us back to the top

Oct 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM

#47

Young2Rice
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Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Our best chance to win the Super Bowl was last year STOUT defense could of carried us all the way

Thank you once again Kyle Williams....................who knows how long its going to take to bring us back to the top

Oct 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM

#48

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Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Our best chance to win the Super Bowl was last year STOUT defense could of carried us all the way

Thank you once again Kyle Williams....................who knows how long its going to take to bring us back to the top

the Niners season is over after week 6? oh noes, doooom!

Oct 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM

#49

TonyStarks
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It's all strategy fool

A loss this early in the season to the paper champs is NOT such a bad thing

THEY OPENED UP THEIR PLAYBOOK AND SHOWED US THEIR BEST CARDS

When we see these chumps in the playoffs, we'll be ready , coaching wise

We sacrificed this game for a chance to see their plays that they'll use at their best. WE'RE STILL TIED in the NFC West and most DEF can hit up that Wild Card but ...heh.hheh...Cards didn't beat anyone and the Seahawks had Carroll blow the noob refs in the back and got lucky yesterday.

Oct 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM

#50

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After losing consecutive championship games to the cowgirls and then demolished by the Eagles at home in 1994, I'm sure the same things were said about Steve Young, et al.

RELAX... IT WAS JUST ONE GAME!

We're still a good team, sure there is plenty we can/will improve on. DEEP BREATHS EVERYONE!

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM

#51

DaDivaRecieva15
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I say we tank for Geno Smith

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

#52

Sjceruti
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I hated how much he rotated QB's. It's cute every now and then but let Alex get a rhythm (And thats not an excuse because he didnt play well at all)

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM

#53

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This thread is exactly why I've stayed away from the zone for a while! It ws a tough loss but people are over reacting way too much Seriously it's just 1 loss in October! Just relax guys it's a long season and it's still way to early to be freaking out yet. The Niners will make the playoffs and just like the Giants proved last year anything is possible once you're in!

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

#54

billbird2111
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Originally posted by Misfit_Niner540:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the way it happened. I don't think we can even be close against the elites in the playoffs with an elite QB. But maybe we will improve.

Is Aaron Rogers elite?

Dude. Don't argue with Diego. It's hopeless. Love the guy. But he doesn't post after the Niners win big and look especially good in doing so. Nobody will buy his weak tea. Diego only shows up when the Niners drop a game, to proclaim out demise to all who will listen.

He's been doing this for years. Love and respect the man, yes. But don't start sipping what he's serving...

You must know this man personally in order to love and respect him. His pessamistic opinions and biased view points are not only very, VERY stale but laughable at times as well. You said it best, he only posts when the Niners stink the joint up. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he's a Seacocks or Raider fan. Along with that tinyhandsbigheart character. This is a team that is gonna be a force to reckon with come January. Harbaugh and co. had a rough Sunday no doubt, but we're no slouches.

Don't know him personally. Just know him from years spent here on the board. Don't know why he gets so pessimistic at times -- but he does. That's just the way it is.

I respect all long-time posters. Even the highly IRRITATING ones.

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:29 PM

#55

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Ugh another SD thread.......... All we need to do is sweep the division. We're fine.

Oct 15, 2012 at 3:59 PM

#56

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Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We got wiped out by the Giants. It's not even as close as the score shows. We dropped off from 13 - 3. We aren't that good anymore. We can't play with the big boys.

Our schedule is WAY harder this year. I think most people knew our record wouldn't be as good this year. I hope this is the worst we will play all year and we can learn from this. Our hard a55 schedule will hopefully prepare us for the playoffs.

Dude, we are good. We beat GB on the road week one. We dominated Detroit. Raped the Jets and Bills (I know they suck but we raped both teams). We are part of the elite in the NFL

Elite teams don't usually lose in the manner we did (twice), ie being so thoroughly beaten in all facets. We are a good team that needs to improve dramatically in several areas before reaching elite: pass rush, special teams, pass protection come to mind (not going to touch the subject of Alex). So mnay jumped on the bandwagon after last year's surprise performance, that we became overrated this year. We need to come back to earth, limit the gimicky stuff and find a way to shore up the weak spots. By year's end, who knows?

Oct 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

#57

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Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We got wiped out by the Giants. It's not even as close as the score shows. We dropped off from 13 - 3. We aren't that good anymore. We can't play with the big boys.

Our schedule is WAY harder this year. I think most people knew our record wouldn't be as good this year. I hope this is the worst we will play all year and we can learn from this. Our hard a55 schedule will hopefully prepare us for the playoffs.

Dude, we are good. We beat GB on the road week one. We dominated Detroit. Raped the Jets and Bills (I know they suck but we raped both teams). We are part of the elite in the NFL

When you beat GB like that, and then lose to NYG like that, its a byproduct of two main things. Your COACHING being #1, your field general being #2. Alice looks good when #1 is working. When we're being outcoached, we have no extra capacity to make a play in a league filled with nothing but uber athletic playmakers.

We got outcoached plain and simple. Too f**king cute.

And to beat a dead horse, when moss is beating coverage half the time and we still only hit him deep once ALL SEASON, well, I don't know what else to say about Alice that hasn't already been said

Oct 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

#58

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Originally posted by Grigga2021:
I definetly remember why i havent posted here in 2 seasons....this board is STILL filled with the biggest flip floppers on the planet......last week they were the best team EVER..."ohh man montana and young never engineered a 300/300......WE WILL STILL WIN THE SUPER BOWL THIS SEASON.

The people who wrote those statements need to be slapped in the face. It was the BILLS.....

Oct 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

#59

SanDiego49er
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Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We got wiped out by the Giants. It's not even as close as the score shows. We dropped off from 13 - 3. We aren't that good anymore. We can't play with the big boys.

Our schedule is WAY harder this year. I think most people knew our record wouldn't be as good this year. I hope this is the worst we will play all year and we can learn from this. Our hard a55 schedule will hopefully prepare us for the playoffs.

Dude, we are good. We beat GB on the road week one. We dominated Detroit. Raped the Jets and Bills (I know they suck but we raped both teams). We are part of the elite in the NFL

Elite teams don't usually lose in the manner we did (twice), ie being so thoroughly beaten in all facets. We are a good team that needs to improve dramatically in several areas before reaching elite: pass rush, special teams, pass protection come to mind (not going to touch the subject of Alex). So mnay jumped on the bandwagon after last year's surprise performance, that we became overrated this year. We need to come back to earth, limit the gimicky stuff and find a way to shore up the weak spots. By year's end, who knows?

We are definitely not elite. But I think we can still be good.

Oct 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

#60

susweel
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We got wiped out by the Giants. It's not even as close as the score shows. We dropped off from 13 - 3. We aren't that good anymore. We can't play with the big boys.

Our schedule is WAY harder this year. I think most people knew our record wouldn't be as good this year. I hope this is the worst we will play all year and we can learn from this. Our hard a55 schedule will hopefully prepare us for the playoffs.

Dude, we are good. We beat GB on the road week one. We dominated Detroit. Raped the Jets and Bills (I know they suck but we raped both teams). We are part of the elite in the NFL

Elite teams don't usually lose in the manner we did (twice), ie being so thoroughly beaten in all facets. We are a good team that needs to improve dramatically in several areas before reaching elite: pass rush, special teams, pass protection come to mind (not going to touch the subject of Alex). So mnay jumped on the bandwagon after last year's surprise performance, that we became overrated this year. We need to come back to earth, limit the gimicky stuff and find a way to shore up the weak spots. By year's end, who knows?

We are definitely not elite. But I think we can still be good.

okay then who's elite ?