Niners to sign Clark Haggans

Probably a 1yr deal worth $925K, only counts $540K against the cap with vet minimum credit. So no major effect against the cap.

I think he would be active most likely on game days, not sure over whom though, will be tough come sundays, we have such a deep roster, that we have decisions to make on who is inactive.

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I like the signing. Going into the season with only 3 OLB is dangerous. But where do we make room? O-line, LB, Safety, CB, Specialists, FB, and QB are all out of the question. That leaves RB, WR, TE, and D-line. The only place we make room and the RB position is with Brandon Jacobs. Gore, Hunter, and James are locks. Dixon is a lock in my mind given we traded away Colin Jones and released Rock, and his diversity as a back. I think it's highly unlikely we make room for Haggans at the WR position, but I guess it's possible. Garrett Celek is the only TE that could be a realistic casualty of this signing. But with JH's love for TE's I doubt this is were we make the room. That leaves the D-line. McDonald, Smith, Sopoaga, and Ricky Jean are locks. This leaves Dobbs, Williams, and Tukuafu as possible casualties. Of those 3 I think Tukuafu is the safest. What Tukuafu did in the preseason leaves me to believe he isn't going anywhere. He is gonna be pretty devastating, to say the least, for defenses in short yardage situations. In my mind Williams and Dobbs are equal in their vulnerability in a Haggans signing.

So, to me, Jacobs, Dobbs, and Williams (in that order) are most at risk of getting the ax. And if I had to pick I'd say that Jacobs could be the odd man out.

Why not Celek, McBath, Brock. players who barely factor into our plans and would be inactive on game days anyway. Saying Jacobs or Dobbs would be cut is almost laughable, they are huge factors into our game plans and Williams didnt survive final cuts for nothing, he has to much promise to risk exposing to waivers.

I was told as a child that if you wanna see God laugh tell Him your plans.

Celek, McBath, and Brock didn't survive final cuts for nothing either. JH loves pass catching TE's. McBath proved to be more than solid (I wanted Michael Thomas instead). So I don't think McBath is going anywhere, especially with a rookie safety on the roster (who's also looked good). And Brock, to me, was more of a numbers thing. I almost threw up at Brock's performance in preseason. But, in this shamefully offense favoring league, it equally laughable to go into the season with only 4 CB's on your 53. Brock has been here, and no other CB below him showed to be better, hence why we cut them and didn't even offer them a PS spot. And why would it be laughable for Jacobs or Dobbs to be cut anyway? Sure, they did good things in camp and preseason. But if you read my post you'll see why I think they could be vulnerable. At this point it's a business decision - position need is gonna win the day over talent. BTW, every player on our 53 is a risk exposing to waivers. We are not gonna be able to hide people on our PS. Teams are very aware of our talent depth and are poised to raid it. Not one player on our 53 will last long on the street. The fact of the matter is that signing Haggans means that someone is gonna have to go, and it's gonna come from the 53. And if it come from the 53 then it'll come down to a numbers game, and the numbers game isn't sensitive to plans.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I was told as a child that if you wanna see God laugh tell Him your plans.

Celek, McBath, and Brock didn't survive final cuts for nothing either. JH loves pass catching TE's. McBath proved to be more than solid (I wanted Michael Thomas instead). So I don't think McBath is going anywhere, especially with a rookie safety on the roster (who's also looked good). And Brock, to me, was more of a numbers thing. I almost threw up at Brock's performance in preseason. But, in this shamefully offense favoring league, it equally laughable to go into the season with only 4 CB's on your 53. Brock has been here, and no other CB below him showed to be better, hence why we cut them and didn't even offer them a PS spot. And why would it be laughable for Jacobs or Dobbs to be cut anyway? Sure, they did good things in camp and preseason. But if you read my post you'll see why I think they could be vulnerable. At this point it's a business decision - position need is gonna win the day over talent. BTW, every player on our 53 is a risk exposing to waivers. We are not gonna be able to hide people on our PS. Teams are very aware of our talent depth and are poised to raid it. Not one player on our 53 will last long on the street. The fact of the matter is that signing Haggans means that someone is gonna have to go, and it's gonna come from the 53. And if it come from the 53 then it'll come down to a numbers game, and the numbers game isn't sensitive to plans.

If Harbaugh wanted a pass catching TE it would of been Reuland, Celek has only 14 career receptions at Michigan State. And no way they cut Jacobs or Dobbs, maybe Williams, but not the other 2. Jacobs is our short yardage guy, and he looked great before the injury.

If Dobbs is healthy Celek goes

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They listed Dobbs as a TE on the last two depth charts. They had no way of knowing how healthy he was before cutdowns, since yesterday was the first time he got back on the field since his injury. Celek was undrafted for a reason. He had 14 career receptions at Michigan State, and he is not at all fast. He is an adequate blocker, and both is hands and sense of zone coverages were pleasant surprises, but it is unlikely that any GMs cursed the Niners when they secured Celek after the draft. I look at him as a cheaper, younger Peele.

As of Wednesday, Fangio had stated that the backups had not impressed him. Robinson and McBath made one significant play each in that game. If one had been head and shoulders above the other, I believe we would have kept only one of those two guys.

I never said that Celek was a lock. I said I doubted he'd be a casualty of a Haggans signing. Fine, he only had 14 career receptions at Mich. St. But he didn't make this roster for sh!ts & giggles either. I know Fangio said he wasn't impressed but at this point his options aren't better than what he has now. We aren't gonna go into the GB game with only 4 CB's. And keep in mind we currently only have 1 secondary guy on the PS - S Michael Thomas - and he's a rookie. Like I said, at this point it's a numbers game.

is/was this guy any good?

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Originally posted by jreff22:
is/was this guy any good?

Looks good, has 46.5 career sacks, and has 501 career combined tackles, so should be a nice 4th OLB.

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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If Harbaugh wanted a pass catching TE it would of been Reuland, Celek has only 14 career receptions at Michigan State. And no way they cut Jacobs or Dobbs, maybe Williams, but not the other 2. Jacobs is our short yardage guy, and he looked great before the injury.

Fine, so Williams would go. I have no beef with that. But i'ts not out of the question that Jacobs or Dobbs could go either (no that I want them to). Jacobs isn't all that young and Dixon's versatility shouldn't be ignored in this equation. Dixon is really getting it, not to mention younger and more durable and presents the team with better value.

Haralson and Haggins should be solid backup OLB's, Good move

I think Celek may be gone, he may have been insurance as a 3rd TE with Dobbs dinged up

Originally posted by susweel:

Baalke failed to properly address the position in the draft this feels more like a desperate move. Hopefully he can get it done.

Im pretty sure he addressed the olb in the draft. it is not his fault they got hurt.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
At this point it's a business decision - position need is gonna win the day over talent.

You're logic fails to hold up. There is no way JH cuts a young talent like Williams for players like McBath or Celek. You can replace the latter with a waiver claim.

Last year Williams earned a spot on this team due to his potential. Last Thursday, he threw the center back into the backfield on a running play. A damned impressive play that was better than anything seen out of McBath/Celek so far.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They listed Dobbs as a TE on the last two depth charts. They had no way of knowing how healthy he was before cutdowns, since yesterday was the first time he got back on the field since his injury. Celek was undrafted for a reason. He had 14 career receptions at Michigan State, and he is not at all fast. He is an adequate blocker, and both is hands and sense of zone coverages were pleasant surprises, but it is unlikely that any GMs cursed the Niners when they secured Celek after the draft. I look at him as a cheaper, younger Peele.

As of Wednesday, Fangio had stated that the backups had not impressed him. Robinson and McBath made one significant play each in that game. If one had been head and shoulders above the other, I believe we would have kept only one of those two guys.

I never said that Celek was a lock. I said I doubted he'd be a casualty of a Haggans signing. Fine, he only had 14 career receptions at Mich. St. But he didn't make this roster for sh!ts & giggles either. I know Fangio said he wasn't impressed but at this point his options aren't better than what he has now. We aren't gonna go into the GB game with only 4 CB's. And keep in mind we currently only have 1 secondary guy on the PS - S Michael Thomas - and he's a rookie. Like I said, at this point it's a numbers game.

What are you talking about? Obviously no one made the roster on a dare, but they still have positions where fringe players are more likely to contribute than others. Dobbs grants flexibility at 3 positions, and he rushes the passer well. McBath and Robinson are safeties, not CBs. You don't need 5 on your roster, and we didn't have 5 on the roster last year, unless you count Colin Jones a safety (which is like calling Brian Jennings a TE). Barring injuries, you would not have more than 3 safeties on the field at any one time (on defense), and that would only occur if you have more confidence in that 3rd safety in a dime situation than you would your 4th CB. I don't see that being the case this year, as both Cully and Cox have looked good in coverage.

Re: Celek, you mention that Harbaugh loves pass-catching TEs. If that was his drive, he would have kept Reuland, who reportedly catches everything but needs work as a blocker, over Celek, who was a blocking TE in college and is still developing in the passing game.

is anyone else worried about this "It's unknown if Haralson's absence from the past two practices and exhibition finale are traced to his contract, in which he's slated to earn $2.45 million this season while shifting to a backup role behind Smith" i hope this signing doesnt mean we cut harolson just to save some money. Aldon smith is a BEAST but paralson is much needed insurance that most definitely can be a starter else where so in that essence his 2.45 million salary is worth it. IMO of course